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Message 2708 - Posted: 29 Jun 2004, 16:08:14 UTC

make better software and Hardware Things
and start the projekt all things running better
and have more network power for a worldwide projekt
its shit to run a worldwide projekt like a 386 with 4 mb ram and a 2400 baud modem you know what i mean
greetings guido
Sorry for my bad english
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Message 2743 - Posted: 29 Jun 2004, 17:17:26 UTC

Lo que no teneis es verguenza de sacar un proyecto a la calle, a nivel mundial, con la palabra OFICIAL.
Esto no da mas que quebraderos de cabeza.
No sabemos que estamos haciendo aparte de perder el tiempo.
Ya hubiera analizado mas de 1000 unidades seti antiguas en lo mque estoy con el boinc.
Me parece una falta de respeto por parte de los programadores hacia nosotros.
Incluso estoy buscando otros tipos de proyectos y abandonar este.

Lo siento pero esto es penoso.

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Message 2746 - Posted: 29 Jun 2004, 17:19:13 UTC

Y creo que ya esta bien de estar siempre en ingles, que mis unaidades procesadas valen tanto como las otras.
Ya podiais tener los foros en 2 idiomas, que me parece que hay mucho latino por aqui.

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Message 2791 - Posted: 30 Jun 2004, 13:44:16 UTC

POST IN ENGLISH!!

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Message 2826 - Posted: 30 Jun 2004, 14:56:26 UTC - in response to Message 2791.

> POST IN ENGLISH!!

Chill out. Don't be rude. Free online translators are easily available...

Domingo was complaining, like most of us, that he is disgusted with the project because of all the problems and the way it went live. He is looking at other projects because of that. Then he expressed how unhappy he was that the support was so centered around English, because there are a lot of Spanish speaking users in his opinion. I think there was a call for forums in another language, but I'm not sure about that.

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Message 2838 - Posted: 30 Jun 2004, 15:37:35 UTC

If you don't like it Guido, don't run it...

Pretty simple concept, no?

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Message 2847 - Posted: 30 Jun 2004, 15:52:34 UTC - in response to Message 2838.

For me are two things very very bad:
- The live-BOINC runnig more badly then the beta-version
- information policy ist more than bad. The last news dated from June 27

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Message 2871 - Posted: 30 Jun 2004, 16:42:49 UTC

Well, you can use the free translators, but unfortunately many of them don't make any sense whatsoever. For example:

"(German) Ja , Sie sind. Und als dies ist ein überstehen dasein verkehren am ein Amerikaner Universität , es ist höflich zu Stelle am Programmiersprache des aufsässig Land. Eben mein zwei Prozente."

translates back to English (not using an automated translator) as:

"(English) Yes, they are. And as this is a survival which traffics at an American University, it is polite to place a programming language within the rebellious country. Even my two percentage points."

Seriously, though, I do agree that just maybe the BOINC version of Seti was released a tad too soon. Still, from what I have seen so far it is a monumental improvement over the classic version.

(English) No need to panic. I'm sure things will be up and running again soon.

(German) Nur keine Panik. Es wird schon bald wieder alles klappen.

Cheers (Gruss),

Andreas "Olli" Olligschlaeger
(with apologies for my lack of Spanish language skills)


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Message 2873 - Posted: 30 Jun 2004, 16:45:08 UTC - in response to Message 2862.
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> (English) Yes, they are. And as this is a project being run at an American
> university, it is polite to post in the language of the hosting country. Just
> my two cents.

Polite maybe, but it certainly shouldn't be a requirement. This project is open to the entire world, making it kind of absurd to then try to impose language requirements on people who join from the "non-host" country.

The site that handles the data for the sig files that people are using here is in Denmark, so should people with questions about the sig files have to post those questions in Danish? If you go to that site and look around their forum you see posts in English - and I have yet to see someone tell them to post in Danish.

People should be able to come here and post in any language they wish, with one understanding - the help that they get to any questions they ask, and the number of people they can expect to respond to their questions at all, will be limited by the number of people who can understand the language they use.



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Message 2881 - Posted: 30 Jun 2004, 17:03:04 UTC

When I designed this forum, I did place in functionalities to support multiple languages and user-specific language preference. I guess they took it out after I left BOINC. Not sure why.

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Message 2885 - Posted: 30 Jun 2004, 17:05:03 UTC - in response to Message 2862.

> (German) Ja , Sie sind. Und als dies ist ein überstehen dasein verkehren am
> ein Amerikaner Universität , es ist höflich zu Stelle am Programmiersprache
> des aufsässig Land. Eben mein zwei Prozente.

Das wars dann zu den Übersetzungen. Dieses Wortkonglomerat ergibt absolut keinen Sinn.

Thats all to say to (automatic)translations. This word-conglomerate has absolutly no sense.

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Message 2892 - Posted: 30 Jun 2004, 17:19:40 UTC - in response to Message 2885.

"- information policy ist more than bad. The last news dated from June 27"

That's THREE days ago, we're getting pretty much constant feedback/news whilst the site is actually running. Check the RSS, most days when there were problems it was updated more than once a day.

Compare this to the old SETI that would go months without news...

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Message 2895 - Posted: 30 Jun 2004, 17:26:17 UTC - in response to Message 2892.
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> "- information policy ist more than bad. The last news dated from June 27"
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> That's THREE days ago, we're getting pretty much constant feedback/news whilst
> the site is actually running. Check the RSS, most days when there were
> problems it was updated more than once a day.
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> Compare this to the old SETI that would go months without news...
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On old SETI you have an nice and very informal link "server status" (http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/sstatus.html). Thats answered many questions.

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in this THREE days are TWO days included, where no upload of results and no download of WU's possible. In this case on old SETI comes a news to inform what happens.

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Message 2896 - Posted: 30 Jun 2004, 17:38:47 UTC

Translation from google
cool down the hot heads ;-)
I meant myself with it am more time for the development of the software of boinc.it have nevertheless no value this eternal beta test which make it already from if instead the old Seti still another few months keeps running, is years run !.and better hardware to finally procure, which stands also high network traffic.i know all over the world the same problem NO MONEY
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Message 2926 - Posted: 1 Jul 2004, 1:03:50 UTC

I think we all need a holiday from using Seti@home/BOINC and take a chill pill.

The guys at Berkeley look to have misjudged the number of people that will swing across to the first public release of the software and the servers could not cope with this number. It is not the easiest of jobs to work out the server requirements in a client-server system, especially as in the grand scheme of things only a few hand full of us were part the the Beta program and now barrel loads of classic users are possibly now changing to BOINC.

And so what if our computers are sitting idle, to my knowledge there is not prize at the end of this project. The only loser with these problems is the Seti project itself with the loss of processing time.

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Message 2967 - Posted: 1 Jul 2004, 3:14:09 UTC - in response to Message 2936.


> That would be fun, and educational too. Would you please post the link?

www.boinc.dk

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Message 3033 - Posted: 1 Jul 2004, 7:12:40 UTC
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Just my two cents -

Clearly the work load was not completely understood when the change over was implementted however I would look at the situation slightly differently;

OK the project is being run by an University however I do not see how that gives them the right to abuse the millions of people who freely donate their spare computer capacity to their project. We should remember that this project will be providing lecturers, professors etc with employment. Research students with projects. The university recieves donations and funding based upon the percieved research being carried out on this project. You all give your time and resources for free, please do not believe that people within the project are not making a living from all of you.

Network administrators and IT people please rememnber in future that you could one day be interviewing graduates who may proudly announce their involvement in this shambles as a shining example of their work at university and a very good reason for their being employed.

I would consider that the people running this project and who are responsible for the swap from classic have no excusses. It is impossible to believe that they could not at least have forseen the magnitude of the workload when they made the new system available.

Regards

Neil

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Message 3034 - Posted: 1 Jul 2004, 7:16:05 UTC
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To add another two cents worth because I forgot this bit;

Seti and Boinc are many things to many people. The project is not wholly bad and its aims are admirable in many ways however please nobody forget that it is just a business, providing salaries and funding. Would you like to carry on donating your funding after this?

Neil

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