Lesson #1, Never use the word "fixed" (March 17, 2010)

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Message 985558 - Posted: 31 Mar 2010, 15:21:02 UTC - in response to Message 985543.  

So, does that mean we will no longer have access to our state of processing of tasks?
Decommissioned replica sounds as if you mean a permanent cessation.
Or will there be a similar facility with the 2 (mb & ap) databases replacing the one "replica"?
But perhaps I am not understanding what you have said?

Is this the first we hear of the important change?
(Or should I say "Where was it announced?", being somewhere I did not see it)

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Message 985561 - Posted: 31 Mar 2010, 15:29:59 UTC

IF there will be no replica, then somebody needs to point all database inquiries to the master, because right now, they are not getting current data.
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Message 985577 - Posted: 31 Mar 2010, 16:40:03 UTC - in response to Message 985564.  

So, who needs to be told that the Replica is no longer being updated?
Someone at BOINC?
Have they been told?
Or is there a reason why it can no longer be updated?
If so, will the same access be available through the 2 new SETI databases?
And when? (If at all)

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Message 985580 - Posted: 31 Mar 2010, 16:45:51 UTC - in response to Message 985577.  

So, who needs to be told that the Replica is no longer being updated?
Someone at BOINC?
Have they been told?
Or is there a reason why it can no longer be updated?
If so, will the same access be available through the 2 new SETI databases?
And when? (If at all)

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We have never had, nor do we need access to the science database.

Our purpose as volunteers is to populate the science database.

BOINC isn't designed or intended to hold completed results.

As for the rest:

No one needs to be told. It isn't that important.

You're making a huge assumption when you say "can no longer be updated" and it is in fact somewhat normal for the replica to be down for a while.

The skepticism behind the "and when? (if at all)" is discouraging, given the fact that the folks running the project have done a superb job of doing huge science with little money and "hand-me-down" hardware for a decade.
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Message 985588 - Posted: 31 Mar 2010, 17:13:22 UTC - in response to Message 985582.  

Thanks, Sten-arne, for repeating explanation which i did not quite understand the first time.
That the new data bases are those referred for science purposes.
While the Replica fulfils a different purpose entirely.

Ned.

I would like you to realise, i was asking questions, not making any assumptions.
And hope there are people who will answer questions posed by my ignorance without them being dismissed as being not important. To me the answers are of interest.
I quite appreciate your comments about doing things on a meagre budget, but i would appreciate that not being thrown back as an answer to every query that is posed.
You must appreciate that everyone is not quite as clever and knowledgeable as you are.

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Message 985594 - Posted: 31 Mar 2010, 17:45:24 UTC - in response to Message 985588.  
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Ned.

I would like you to realise, i was asking questions, not making any assumptions.
And hope there are people who will answer questions posed by my ignorance without them being dismissed as being not important. To me the answers are of interest.
I quite appreciate your comments about doing things on a meagre budget, but i would appreciate that not being thrown back as an answer to every query that is posed.
You must appreciate that everyone is not quite as clever and knowledgeable as you are.

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Keith,

I didn't mean to offend you as being "unimportant" and definitely not "dismissive" but was hoping to get across the idea that there is a track record here.

We as a society have come to a point where we expect and demand instant fixes. We assume when it isn't fixed right now that the only reason it isn't fixed is because it has been discontinued.

In your message, you said "is there a reason that it can no longer be updated?" and that seems to assume that it is a permanent condition, and we're going to have to live with no statistics, no progress.

"if at all" seems to suggest that this is a permanent condition.

My observation isn't clever or knowledgeable.

I observe:

  • Things almost never happen as quickly as I'd like.
  • Things almost always happen eventually -- usually when I'm about to give up.
  • Wanting something to happen quickly rarely changes when it actually happens.


If the replica was still down in a couple of weeks, and there was no news, then I'd start to wonder, but for now, waiting is.

... and the rest of life is pretty much the same.

The SETI@Home track record: things get fixed, just not very fast.


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Message 985599 - Posted: 31 Mar 2010, 17:58:01 UTC - in response to Message 985594.  

You forgot to mention things you don't want to happen happen almost instantaneously! :-)


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Message 985601 - Posted: 31 Mar 2010, 17:59:27 UTC

The replica database is back online and catching up to the master as we speak.
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Message 985607 - Posted: 31 Mar 2010, 18:10:20 UTC - in response to Message 985599.  

You forgot to mention things you don't want to happen happen almost instantaneously! :-)

... and so many other things that follow from Murphy's law.
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Message 986794 - Posted: 5 Apr 2010, 8:29:14 UTC

Houston we have a problem????
The work done and statistics have not updated for about 12 hours.
I have tried forcing it.
Everything appears "Normal" on server status (7 splitters still disabled)
Does anyone know if there is a problem??
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Message 986847 - Posted: 5 Apr 2010, 15:33:48 UTC
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... We also appear to be having a problem or two with the "science status" page: the "overflow rate" has been at 0.0% for a couple of days every time I looked at it, (highly unlikely to be true) and the link to Arecibo shows "Values as of 38760 minutes ago... so that's apparently down, too
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Message 988618 - Posted: 12 Apr 2010, 15:06:48 UTC
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Juhuuuu Berkeley,
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Message 988637 - Posted: 12 Apr 2010, 16:29:13 UTC

Any news on how long till its fixed. Just want to know when my missing 21 tasks will be checked in. "My results" say 34 in progress but actually only 13 left to do then I'm out of work.
Any news much appreciated.
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Message 988643 - Posted: 12 Apr 2010, 17:12:16 UTC
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The Cricket graph show again after a few hours very less, now more traffic to and from the SETI@home servers.
So new work should be available, but current very slowly.

The PC/tasks overview will be again up-to-date if the replica database is again online.

'SETI@home server status'


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Message 988666 - Posted: 12 Apr 2010, 18:40:09 UTC - in response to Message 980044.  

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Thanks for the update.
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Message 989629 - Posted: 16 Apr 2010, 19:50:22 UTC

I get like 200 tasks a day on one of my quad cores, very strange, never had that before, more like 10 tasks a day...
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Message 990430 - Posted: 19 Apr 2010, 15:48:38 UTC - in response to Message 989629.  
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I get like 200 tasks a day on one of my quad cores, very strange, never had that before, more like 10 tasks a day...


Check the run times - I bet they are all VLAR Work Units... (if CPU...)

On another front, the tie to Arecibo's positioning is now showing "as of 5020 minutes ago" so that's broken again - on the science status page.
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Message 990552 - Posted: 19 Apr 2010, 23:21:32 UTC

She started to process CUDA work units and has downloaded a batch of them.
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Message 990918 - Posted: 21 Apr 2010, 18:57:25 UTC

I pushed the "no new work" button, better now:)
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