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Message 1053263 - Posted: 6 Dec 2010, 1:17:03 UTC - in response to Message 1052427.
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Odysseus:

Thankyou for your informative response to my question. The neurons are functioning in a more harmonic mode now and I will follow up upon your directive. Cheers.
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Message 1059507 - Posted: 25 Dec 2010, 1:44:34 UTC - in response to Message 1046996.


Ham Radio Operators, CB'ers, and Broadcasters all depend on something other than point-to-point communications and I don't see any of these radiators of RF not being used in the foreseeable future.


CB'ers!?

OH YUCK! Talk about absolute cosmic RF noise pollution, which should be banned from further transmission!

If ETs, whom have already deciphered the English language / American dialect & slang, are listening to the over powered, over modulated, "ratchet jaw" garbage on it and the foul mouths transmitting utilizing the citizen's radio band frequencies, that have been emanating from the U.S. for the past thirty five to fourty years, they most certainly do not want anything to do with us!

Matter of fact. . . . if they are listening to many TV & radio broadcasts passing by and understand them, they wouldn't want anything to do with the whole planet!

I can imagine "Jetson's" or "Futurama" type space traffic signs placed out in near space somewhere stating, "DANGER! DO NOT LAND! KEEP AWAY! CRAZED KILLER THINGS LIVE HERE!".

Oh well. There's no "do overs". Too late. :-(

On the topic at hand, "Are We Alone", my answer HAS TO BE NO. Other life forms my not be like us in many, many ways, but I believe it is or they are out there somewhere. . . . and just possibly hiding from us. :-)
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Message 1068672 - Posted: 20 Jan 2011, 19:11:07 UTC

What kind of debate is that? Of course we are not alone. I feel like I am back in the dark ages watching people debate whether the world is flat or not.

I hope aliens don't find out about this. We will become a cosmic joke very quickly when word gets around the galaxy about our ignorance.


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Message 1069012 - Posted: 21 Jan 2011, 15:39:51 UTC

Actually Its nice that SETI is looking for Intelligent life out there, as there is none on this ball of dust :)
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Message 1072332 - Posted: 30 Jan 2011, 16:11:01 UTC - in response to Message 1069012.

Actually Its nice that SETI is looking for Intelligent life out there, as there is none on this ball of dust :)


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Message 1072379 - Posted: 30 Jan 2011, 17:57:38 UTC

Maybe we are saving ourselves from ourselves.

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Message 1080812 - Posted: 24 Feb 2011, 2:51:22 UTC - in response to Message 983897.

creo que si,la nasa lo ha confirmado,ademas hay una imagen de la señal

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Message 1081619 - Posted: 26 Feb 2011, 11:59:59 UTC

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Message 1081655 - Posted: 26 Feb 2011, 15:58:35 UTC

<tongue in cheek>
Yes we are alone in this vast universe, as well as in other universes. SETI is just an exercise in distributed computing. They're sending us workunits which they say comes from the Arecibo observatory, but for all I know it may very well be signals from a TV-station close to Berkeley that they send out to be crunched.
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Message 1082034 - Posted: 27 Feb 2011, 13:21:46 UTC - in response to Message 1081655.

<tongue in cheek>
Yes we are alone in this vast universe, as well as in other universes. SETI is just an exercise in distributed computing. They're sending us workunits which they say comes from the Arecibo observatory, but for all I know it may very well be signals from a TV-station close to Berkeley that they send out to be crunched.
</tongue in cheek>


More likely, the campus micro power radio station. :-)

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Message 1082972 - Posted: 2 Mar 2011, 16:53:37 UTC

it's sure that life in universe exists. But most of them would be like unicellular oranisms, because they can live in an extreme Environment (like thermophilic archaea).
But higher developed life(like vertebrate) need an "stable" Environmt for a long time (sure there had been a lot of mass exticntions in the history of our planet- but they had been necessary for the human development).

the paramter in our solarsystem are nearly perfect for the formation of live (the mass etc. of the sun (G2V), the mass of the earth, distance- earth moon, jupiter as a blockade for asteroids, the position of our solar system in our galaxy, the proportion of Elements heavier as He, "stable Neighbourhood" without cosmic disasters like supernovas etc...). All this parameter are nearly perfectly set, that it looks like mere chance that we exist.
However; i think human beeings define intelligene in a very anthropological view- But tell me are oranisms which destroy there Environment they are living in intelligent? I dont think so. And so i think that Civilizations, which are able to communicate with human beeings only have a very short life span (because they erase themselves). And so its very implausible to find a signal.

But there is a chance, and if there is a chance we should take it.

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Message 1086011 - Posted: 11 Mar 2011, 8:11:34 UTC

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Message 1090258 - Posted: 25 Mar 2011, 12:23:56 UTC - in response to Message 983897.

creo que si ,ademas hace poco,pero no saben seguro que sea una señal de inteligencia extraterrestre.buscalo en el google como "SENAL SETI RECIBIDA POR LA NASA"mas no te puedo contar porque no se.
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Message 1090664 - Posted: 26 Mar 2011, 19:07:03 UTC

oh my god,Idont know english

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Message 1090764 - Posted: 27 Mar 2011, 0:22:57 UTC - in response to Message 1090665.
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it's sure that life in universe exists. But most of them would be like unicellular oranisms, because they can live in an extreme Environment (like thermophilic archaea).
But higher developed life(like vertebrate) need an "stable" Environmt for a long time (sure there had been a lot of mass exticntions in the history of our planet- but they had been necessary for the human development).

the paramter in our solarsystem are nearly perfect for the formation of live (the mass etc. of the sun (G2V), the mass of the earth, distance- earth moon, jupiter as a blockade for asteroids, the position of our solar system in our galaxy, the proportion of Elements heavier as He, "stable Neighbourhood" without cosmic disasters like supernovas etc...). All this parameter are nearly perfectly set, that it looks like mere chance that we exist.

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Don't forget the importance, of the earth-axis, not being 90oC, but tilted, ~60oC?

You mentioned already some Blue Prints, which are necessary for (human)life(?)
Even 1 or more moons may appear to be necessary. (Causing the tides)

Even if, life as we 'know it', is pure random, other life(forms) are likely,
IMHO, to exist.
(If I was on an Alien Ship, with the remaining people of a dying planet,
I would be very carefull to approach the earth, seeing the state its currently
in, Afghanistan, Japan, Mianmar, etc. Sometimes makes me wonder, if an earthquake can be coarsed by puping out billions of tons oil and gas, these substances have a mass, need space and when removed, ground will sink.
In the earea, in the Netherlands where they take the gas, the ground has sunk
0.5meter in several years after the extraction of gas!)
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Message 1091157 - Posted: 28 Mar 2011, 12:29:19 UTC

I would argue just the opposite about earthquakes being caused by the extraction of oil and gas. Although it does leave a void (that can be partially filled in with water or something) the extraction process also relieves the pressure built up by the movement of the earth's plates. If we could go back in time (the way back machine) it would be fun to measure the violence of the earthquakes then and compare them to todays quake violence. It may be that in the ring of fire area, volcanoes relieved those pressures. After all volcanoes are the earths pressure vents. Just my opinion JMO

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Message 1099091 - Posted: 20 Apr 2011, 12:18:35 UTC - in response to Message 1068672.
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I couldnt agree more, i joined SETI because of a personal experience i had, one would expect life on other planets no matter how intelligent or non intelligent when you consider the numbers in just in our visible patch of the sky.
look at all the odd one off discoveries thought never to happen again then years later with better technology and more people being aware and looking in new areas find these one off's are not one off's.
If it wasnt for my experience i would still say we are not alone or a one off, history has proven that one off's do occur more than once and time will show this to be true with advancements in technology, education, and people like the ones behind SETI and their supporters who genuinely believe put in the effort to make it happen.
why wait till the last few hundred years before the sun ends its life to reach out and find its too late to find either other intelligence that could help us relocate or find a new planet like ours to support our distant children's life and give us enough time to get their.
with the technology we have now its a start and will be more advanced as time goes by, much like the first computer, look where that technology is today and the discoveries made since then in the known universe and beyond as well as on and within our own planet, each year there are new discoveries of species in the oceans thought never to exist, where a one off or extinct. so why not in the ocean of space cant there be a planet supporting life and more than one planet supporting Intelligent life whom i know has already found us just as we will find them when time and technology are right but to get there we need to continue looking, (Government funding would help..lol)
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Message 1099119 - Posted: 20 Apr 2011, 14:06:28 UTC - in response to Message 1091157.

I would argue just the opposite about earthquakes being caused by the extraction of oil and gas. Although it does leave a void (that can be partially filled in with water or something) the extraction process also relieves the pressure built up by the movement of the earth's plates. If we could go back in time (the way back machine) it would be fun to measure the violence of the earthquakes then and compare them to todays quake violence. It may be that in the ring of fire area, volcanoes relieved those pressures. After all volcanoes are the earths pressure vents. Just my opinion JMO


You've got a very strong point, vulcano's and hydrothermal vents, are (a form of)
pressure outlets. And I think you're right about that.(IMHO)

And, we know almost nothing about the magnitude of earthquakes, a few thousend
years back, let alone before the last ice-age.

And going back further, there was only one big 'continent', which has been in a constant move and split up, to, as we know it now. But how many and how powerfull those 'shifts' were, and the magnitude of the up and downwards movements, we can only guess. Archeological founds can (partly) shed a light on this.
( A Time(-Back)-Machine would come in handy, if 'we' can go back, otherwise
we have redo history again...... ;) )

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Message 1100964 - Posted: 27 Apr 2011, 5:50:43 UTC - in response to Message 1099091.

just as we will find them when time and technology are right
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Well we'd best get a move on before our civilisation collapses under its own weight. Surely we have the rest of this century at best?....

Why is this thread still under news? Are we expecting some and will the thread title be changed from 'Are we alone?' to 'We are not alone?'.

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Message 1100979 - Posted: 27 Apr 2011, 7:53:56 UTC - in response to Message 1100964.

just as we will find them when time and technology are right
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Well we'd best get a move on before our civilisation collapses under its own weight. Surely we have the rest of this century at best?....

Why is this thread still under news? Are we expecting some and will the thread title be changed from 'Are we alone?' to 'We are not alone?'.

I am still waiting for some. I can change the title, if the Setizens what it.
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