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Message 978804 - Posted: 14 Mar 2010, 23:59:21 UTC

For the last three days I have been getting the above error message after the program contacts the servers.
The last four messages on the Boinc Manager message screen reads "Requesting new tasks for CPU,Project communication failed: Attempting access to reference site,Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down,Schedular request failed: Failure when recieving data from the peer.
I am fairly new and just wondering if it is a problem on my end.
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Message 978808 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 0:20:18 UTC - in response to Message 978804.

Nope, no problem on your end, we are all getting that message. Hopefully the boys will be able to get it up and running when they come in in the morning.
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Message 978844 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 2:07:26 UTC - in response to Message 978808.

their morning that is which is usually around 11:30 central time
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Message 979291 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 3:04:55 UTC

I don't have any CPU work to do and my boinc is NOT ASKING for new work, maybe because of the GPU WUs ready to start.

How can I make Boinc ask for new cpu work?

I guess the upload problem is going to be fix in some time, but meanwhile we should be able to get new work and take advantage of the available computing power.

(I'm 100% SETI and I don't want to attach to any other project.)

Thanks for any help,

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Message 979308 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 3:41:11 UTC - in response to Message 979291.

I don't have any CPU work to do and my boinc is NOT ASKING for new work, maybe because of the GPU WUs ready to start.

How can I make Boinc ask for new cpu work?

I guess the upload problem is going to be fix in some time, but meanwhile we should be able to get new work and take advantage of the available computing power.

(I'm 100% SETI and I don't want to attach to any other project.)

Thanks for any help,

Eduardo

There are some safeguards that kick in to protect your computer or the project from certain problems. Since you are running SETI only, and uploads are failing, the most likely safeguard is that against infinite work on your computer waiting to upload. The limit is 2 * ncpus + (some number) * nGPUs waiting to upload will prevent further downloads. This prevents your HD from filling with work that cannot be returned in time to do any good for the project.

Your options at this point are to allow your GPU to continue on alone, to use the rescheduler that is available from some third party (lunatics?) to move some GPU work to the CPU, or to attach to a second project for a while (note that with 6.10.36 and later, a resource share of 0 means backup project.
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Message 979407 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 10:04:21 UTC - in response to Message 979308.

So, I'm turning my computer off and I'll wait ntil the upload issue is solved.

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Message 979662 - Posted: 17 Mar 2010, 1:29:49 UTC - in response to Message 979407.

So, I'm turning my computer off and I'll wait ntil the upload issue is solved.

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The reports are that uploads are happening again.
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Message 979921 - Posted: 17 Mar 2010, 12:31:29 UTC

Earlier This week upload failures now no work...
Capacity cannot be be the answer to this issue:
Tue Mar 16 18:12:13 2010 SETI@home Message from server: (Project has no jobs available)
Tue Mar 16 18:14:29 2010 SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
Tue Mar 16 18:14:29 2010 SETI@home Requesting new tasks
Tue Mar 16 18:14:34 2010 SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
Tue Mar 16 18:14:34 2010 SETI@home Message from server: (Project has no jobs available)
Tue Mar 16 18:28:43 2010 SETI@home Started upload of 17no09ac.15595.16018.12.10.66_1_0
Tue Mar 16 18:28:47 2010 SETI@home Finished upload of 17no09ac.15595.16018.12.10.66_1_0
Tue Mar 16 18:35:59 2010 SETI@home Started upload of 18no09aa.6237.13155.3.10.27_1_0
Tue Mar 16 18:36:03 2010 SETI@home Finished upload of 18no09aa.6237.13155.3.10.27_1_0
Tue Mar 16 18:37:58 2010 SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
Tue Mar 16 18:37:58 2010 SETI@home Reporting 2 completed tasks, requesting new tasks
Tue Mar 16 18:38:03 2010 SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
Tue Mar 16 18:38:03 2010 SETI@home Message from server: (Project has no jobs available)
Tue Mar 16 19:31:39 2010 SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
Tue Mar 16 19:31:39 2010 SETI@home Requesting new tasks
Tue Mar 16 19:31:44 2010 SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
Tue Mar 16 19:31:44 2010 SETI@home Message from server: (Project has no jobs available)
Tue Mar 16 20:01:11 2010 rosetta@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
Tue Mar 16 20:01:11 2010 rosetta@home Requesting new tasks
Tue Mar 16 20:01:16 2010 rosetta@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
Tue Mar 16 20:01:16 2010 rosetta@home Message from server: No work sent
Tue Mar 16 20:01:16 2010 rosetta@home Message from server: (there was work for other platforms)
Tue Mar 16 20:05:23 2010 SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
Tue Mar 16 20:05:23 2010 SETI@home Requesting new tasks
Tue Mar 16 20:05:28 2010 SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
Tue Mar 16 20:05:28 2010 SETI@home Message from server: (Project has no jobs available)
Tue Mar 16 23:00:50 2010 SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
Tue Mar 16 23:00:50 2010 SETI@home Requesting new tasks
Tue Mar 16 23:00:55 2010 SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
Tue Mar 16 23:00:55 2010 SETI@home Message from server: (Project has no jobs available)
Wed Mar 17 06:14:04 2010 SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work.
Wed Mar 17 06:14:04 2010 SETI@home Requesting new tasks
Wed Mar 17 06:14:10 2010 SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
Wed Mar 17 06:14:10 2010 SETI@home Message from server: (Project has no jobs available)

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Message 979924 - Posted: 17 Mar 2010, 12:51:09 UTC - in response to Message 979921.

Earlier This week upload failures now no work...
Capacity cannot be be the answer to this issue...

Why not? Perhaps the project has run out of input data. We can't tell, for the status page is stuck since 4:20:12 UTC. And it's currently about 6 am in Berkeley, so we'll have to wait for someone to put on a new "reel".

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Message 979993 - Posted: 17 Mar 2010, 15:29:23 UTC - in response to Message 979924.

Several years ago (5 - 10+??, account date is Oct 1999) I was running seti@home classic. When they switched to using BOINC, there were serious transition problems so I uninstalled it. A couple of years ago I decided to give seti@home/BOINC another try and re-installed it. I always got the server unavailable or no work available to process. So I figured they were still having problems and un-installed it again.

I got a new iMAC a few weeks ago and decided to give set@home/BOINC yet another shot. And of course all I see are messages about server and connection problems. And I get the no work available message.

I don't want to sound all snarky and such, but does this ever work? The server status page shows everything is hunky-dory. Or do I need to un-install and try again next year? Am I that unlucky that every time I try seti@home, it just happens to be having problems?
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Message 979999 - Posted: 17 Mar 2010, 15:35:35 UTC - in response to Message 979993.

Wow, talk about bad timing. It sounds like you have come back each time during a bad period. Our servers just got repaired yesterday, but now it seems they are out of work and need to add more tapes to the splitters.

Comparatively, my experience has been a lot smoother. I joined in early 2002 doing SETI Classic. About a year later everything was switching over to BOINC, so I installed that and dumped Classic on all my machines. I've never had a problem with any BOINC version (I have kept copies of every version I've used - all the way back to BOINC v3.19). The only time I've ever run out of SETI work is during last week's outage, but that's fine with me because I run several other projects to keep my CPUs busy.
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Message 980362 - Posted: 18 Mar 2010, 4:05:23 UTC - in response to Message 979924.

Then are you suggesting that we should drop seti and go on to other projects that have work?
I have the computer time and if seti doesn't need my computer I would rather give it to the neediest group. I have looked at other projects and apparently there is no good way to figure out who really needs the computer time.

Can someone suggest a needy group that has lots of data and they can supply us with all the data we can feed on and produce some good for humanity as SETI seems to think that they can turn away volunteers with abandon. Sorry if I sound bitchy but it really sounds like seti doesn't care any more.
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Message 980406 - Posted: 18 Mar 2010, 6:25:37 UTC - in response to Message 980362.
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You don't need to abandon Seti, BOINC allows for attachment to multiple projects at the same time. You can choose from the list (also available in BOINC Manager's Attach to wizard), what you fancy to run with.

Seti still cares, you've just been checking the wrong forums lately. ;-)
Check the Technical News threads in http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_index.php
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Message 980529 - Posted: 18 Mar 2010, 15:51:09 UTC - in response to Message 980362.

Then are you suggesting that we should drop seti and go on to other projects that have work?
I have the computer time and if seti doesn't need my computer I would rather give it to the neediest group. I have looked at other projects and apparently there is no good way to figure out who really needs the computer time.


Why would you jump to that conclusion? Is it not possible to contribute to multiple science projects?

Can someone suggest a needy group that has lots of data and they can supply us with all the data we can feed on and produce some good for humanity as SETI seems to think that they can turn away volunteers with abandon. Sorry if I sound bitchy but it really sounds like seti doesn't care any more.


I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion about SETI not caring, or how you think they're trying to turn away volunteers, but neither statement is true.

SETI still cares and SETI still wants volunteers. But those volunteers need to understand that SETI will not always have work, and may not always have something to say about it.
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Message 981482 - Posted: 20 Mar 2010, 4:32:12 UTC

I had to change my anti-virus program from Avast! to McAfee (ISP mandate) and can't be sure that my BOINC manager is even able to access the project. Usually there is some message that says it is unable to connect to the project (multiple times), but all I see now after the startup are

3/19/2010 9:06:22 PM Starting BOINC client version 6.10.18 for windows_intelx86
3/19/2010 9:06:22 PM log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
3/19/2010 9:06:22 PM Libraries: libcurl/7.19.4 OpenSSL/0.9.8l zlib/1.2.3
3/19/2010 9:06:22 PM Data directory: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC
3/19/2010 9:06:22 PM Running under account GaryS
3/19/2010 9:06:22 PM Processor: 4 AuthenticAMD AMD Phenom(tm) 9500 Quad-Core Processor [x86 Family 16 Model 2 Stepping 2]
3/19/2010 9:06:22 PM Processor: 512.00 KB cache
3/19/2010 9:06:22 PM Processor features: fpu tsc pae nx sse sse2 3dnow mmx
3/19/2010 9:06:22 PM OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Professional x86 Edition, Service Pack 3, (05.01.2600.00)
3/19/2010 9:06:22 PM Memory: 3.25 GB physical, 6.34 GB virtual
3/19/2010 9:06:22 PM Disk: 298.08 GB total, 213.91 GB free
3/19/2010 9:06:22 PM Local time is UTC -7 hours
3/19/2010 9:06:22 PM NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce 9400 GT (driver version 19089, CUDA version 2030, compute capability 1.1, 512MB, 44 GFLOPS peak)
3/19/2010 9:06:22 PM SETI@home Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
3/19/2010 9:06:22 PM Not using a proxy
3/19/2010 9:06:23 PM SETI@home URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 3193895; resource share 100
3/19/2010 9:06:23 PM SETI@home General prefs: from SETI@home (last modified 19-Jun-2009 10:44:43)
3/19/2010 9:06:23 PM SETI@home Computer location: work
3/19/2010 9:06:23 PM SETI@home General prefs: no separate prefs for work; using your defaults
3/19/2010 9:06:23 PM Reading preferences override file
3/19/2010 9:06:23 PM Preferences limit memory usage when active to 1663.58MB
3/19/2010 9:06:23 PM Preferences limit memory usage when idle to 2994.45MB
3/19/2010 9:06:23 PM Preferences limit disk usage to 100.00GB

There is nothing that says that the manager is trying to get any project data. I've configured McAfee so that BOINC data can go both ways, and I can access the BOINC and SETI sites through the manager, so is there really an issue with the antivirus, or is there just a general lack of work that is keeping the program from trying to get anything? Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

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Message 981567 - Posted: 20 Mar 2010, 8:39:36 UTC - in response to Message 981482.

What happens when you click the Update button in the projects tab? What messages do you then get?
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Message 981705 - Posted: 20 Mar 2010, 17:36:53 UTC

I have been reading the Server status page and I don't understand the distinction between Results and Workunits. On the right side of the page, I have interpreted Results ready to send as being things I can download and work on. But on closer examination, I see (a) Results returned and awaiting validation (5,037,073) vs (b) Workunits awaiting validation (44). Also, (a) Workunits waiting for db purging (782,158) vs (b) Results waiting for db purging (1,687,464).

When I looked at the purging figures I thought that Workunits might be the data samples and Results might be the analysis of those samples by computers, since I realize that more than 1 person gets each sample (due to a ruling by the Department of Redundancy Department). There are just over twice as many Results as Workunits.

But the contrast between Results returned and awaiting validation and Workunits awaiting validation is HUGE and leads me to doubt my hypothesis.

The point is: When I can't get new work, I'd like to be able to look at the Server status and see if there's any reason to expect that there is work to be gotten.

Thanks,

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Message 981713 - Posted: 20 Mar 2010, 17:49:31 UTC - in response to Message 981705.

When you scroll down on the Server Status page, there's an explanation on what is what.

E.g.:
Results ready to send: For each workunit, "empty" results are generated that are then sent out to individual users to be filled with data. This is the number of excess empty results ready to be sent out, i.e. a backlog in case demand exceeds the current rate of creation.
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