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Message 1053306 - Posted: 6 Dec 2010, 8:52:54 UTC - in response to Message 1053166.

[quote]And with the endless requests by Microsoft's "UAC", most users develop a Pavlovian response to just 'click it away'. There is no such "UAC" or required clickiness in Linux.


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see, it is the users, not the os which is a problem, get it?

about the linux, there is no users.

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Message 1053338 - Posted: 6 Dec 2010, 14:54:45 UTC - in response to Message 1053306.

[quote]And with the endless requests by Microsoft's "UAC", most users develop a Pavlovian response to just 'click it away'. There is no such "UAC" or required clickiness in Linux.



see, it is the users, not the os which is a problem, get it?

about the linux, there is no users.

So... The users that use Windows are the problem are they?...

Microsoft Windows example:

Let's [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] see... [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] Should [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] not [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] the [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] OS [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] be [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] friendly [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] for [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] the [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] users [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] to [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] easily [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] use? [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?]

The example that is not Microsoft (no "UAC") is much easier and user friendly, yes?

The Microsoft "UAC" must be one of the most not-user-friendly features ever to be so fiendishly imposed upon computer users. It certainly gives computing a very bad name!

Interestingly, enough people use Linux that Microsoft have been trying to destroy Linux for the past few years...

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Message 1053364 - Posted: 6 Dec 2010, 17:24:26 UTC - in response to Message 1053338.

BTW I turned UAC off for the very reason you mention here. Its so overwhelming as to be unuseful
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Message 1053717 - Posted: 8 Dec 2010, 2:10:06 UTC
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An interesting snippet:

Brazilian Ministry of Education plan large deployment with Mandriva Linux...

... The Brazilian government education authority has selected Intel-powered classmate PCs running Mandriva Linux for educational use nationwide... will be used in Brazilian schools by teachers, parents and students.


And I hope this isn't a sign that one of the original long standing 'big' Linux distros is not getting to be too big:

Why is Debian "out-of-date"?

With Debian "Squeeze" marching on its way toward a final release, the Debian project has been increasingly in the spotlight and on people's minds. This in turn raises the commonly asked question: why is Debian so slow-moving and out of date?

The thing to keep in mind when talking about Debian is the amazing size and scope of the project - it's vast. ... the project includes approximately 36,000 packages, about sixty languages and twelve architectures. And...



Pretty good stuff,

and all in the name of freedom!

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Message 1053732 - Posted: 8 Dec 2010, 2:55:36 UTC
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mandriva is going to bankrupt, so brazil did not make very clever move, and we are talkin country where every tenth children can go to school.


btw. clearly you are not used uac, since you are totally ignorant have it works.

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Message 1053734 - Posted: 8 Dec 2010, 2:59:28 UTC - in response to Message 1053364.

BTW I turned UAC off for the very reason you mention here. Its so overwhelming as to be unuseful


put it back on, it is not like that ever.

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Message 1053757 - Posted: 8 Dec 2010, 4:02:30 UTC - in response to Message 1053734.

No I'd rather not have M$ dictating what and how I look at things
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Message 1053889 - Posted: 8 Dec 2010, 13:20:29 UTC - in response to Message 1053732.
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mandriva is going to bankrupt, so brazil did not make very clever move, and we are talkin country where every tenth children can go to school.

Mandriva has restructured and is backed by a big investor that will use Mandriva Linux instead of Microsoft. Note, the freedom of Linux allows that investor to easily (and openly) customise the Linux distro for their language and home country. They simply cannot do that with Microsoft.

There is also now an alternative version of Mandriva Linux called Mageia that is just starting up. Such is the beauty of freedom. Or is it too scary to have a free choice?

Using a Linux distro rather than Microsoft means that Brazil can afford x2 to x4 or more the number of PCs than that possible using Microsoft, assuming the usual Microsoft practices.

That means hopefully that many more children will be educated better, faster.


btw. clearly you are not used uac, since you are totally ignorant have it works.

No, I do not use UAC. I use operating systems that do not need anything like Microsoft's UAC. And I fully understand what UAC does and means...

Microsoft's UAC means that the operating system does not trust itself to start applications and so is insecure. Instead, the user must act as the security system for the operating system! No other operating system does that! Incredible.

An analogy is that you ("UAC") must stand inside of the barn door to block any horses you do not want to leave. You also then have a second person stood outside the door to lasso any errant horses ("anti-virus") to drag them back in. Meanwhile, the barn (operating system) has all it's doors and windows wide open for illegal entry and exit. You and your friend must run around to guard against all eventualities. Silly?


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("Barn door" is part of a saying: "To close the barn door after the horse has bolted", meaning that you are too late to correct a mistake.)
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Message 1054126 - Posted: 8 Dec 2010, 23:42:57 UTC
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On a more practical note:

Tom's Definitive Linux Software Roundup: Image Apps

There is a longstanding myth that the choice of multimedia applications is sparse in Linux. This article began as a roundup of Multimedia Apps (multimedia being images, audio, and video). We had to split the story not once, but twice, in order to accommodate the number of titles we found. It's safe to say that this myth has been busted. ...

...The sheer volume of programs made corralling them all into a single story somewhat of a challenge. So, the time we spent with each and descriptions of the various applications had to be shortened to make this piece even possible. ...




Quite an article... And even that is far from 'comprehensive'!

Too much choice?

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Message 1054163 - Posted: 9 Dec 2010, 4:00:20 UTC

Working Tech Support---whenever I have a user w/ Vista or Win7 the first thing we do is turn UAC off to avoid the inteference it gives.
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Message 1054344 - Posted: 9 Dec 2010, 18:46:28 UTC

would be better if you quit then, some tech support.

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Message 1054355 - Posted: 9 Dec 2010, 19:34:36 UTC - in response to Message 1054344.

I could see the conversation with clients if UAC were on.

and every other line would be "enter your password... Click OK" kinda makes a tech support call lengthy when it doesnt have to be
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Message 1054420 - Posted: 9 Dec 2010, 22:16:08 UTC - in response to Message 1054355.

I could see the conversation with clients if UAC were on.

and every other line would be "enter your password... Click OK" kinda makes a tech support call lengthy when it doesnt have to be


That's exactly why we turn it off before we start our work--especially if we're remoting into the system.
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Message 1054932 - Posted: 11 Dec 2010, 10:30:10 UTC
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@ Aristoteles, and All,

Please only discuss and argue for your ideas. You are welcome even to describe your love of Microsoft and why you love Microsoft. Ofcourse, provided there is some connection or comparison to be made with this thread.

You are also welcome to start your own Microsoft thread if you wish.

Please do not attack people with insults. That is not "discussion".

If you are right, then you should be able to clearly discuss and explain your ideas.


You are also welcome to red-x this post once read.

Are you right?

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Message 1055091 - Posted: 11 Dec 2010, 18:02:24 UTC - in response to Message 1054932.
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@ Aristoteles, and All,

Please only discuss and argue for your ideas. You are welcome even to describe your love of Microsoft and why you love Microsoft. Ofcourse, provided there is some connection or comparison to be made with this thread.

You are also welcome to start your own Microsoft thread if you wish.

Please do not attack people with insults. That is not "discussion".

If you are right, then you should be able to clearly discuss and explain your ideas.


You are also welcome to red-x this post once read.

Are you right?

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read, understud and now we discuss like civilized people again.

to the topic.
uac is for users protection, and should not be turned off,
if people have problems with programs and uac, it is clearly because they are written badly and they need rights that any program should not need,
in such cause people can use nortonĀ“s uac tool, that will help til companys will start to write their programs properly.

see, it was easy.

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Message 1055377 - Posted: 12 Dec 2010, 14:06:07 UTC - in response to Message 1055091.
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... uac is for users protection, and should not be turned off,
if people have problems with programs and uac, it is clearly because they are written badly and they need rights that any program should not need,
in such cause people can use nortonĀ“s uac tool, that will help til companys will start to write their programs properly.


"UAC" is unique to Microsoft. There are hundreds of operating systems. No other operating system has "UAC".

The "bad writing and design" is in Microsoft Windows itself in that anti-virus and UAC are needed in the first place!

Again, no other operating system suffers such silliness. I don't know of any other operating system that supports viruses and malware in the way that Microsoft does.

But then again, Microsoft has generated a number of other industries that are highly profitable that attempt to make the Microsoft products more usable... (For the cost of additional costs for the users.)


In my 'tech support' role, depending on circumstances, I also instruct that UAC, and Microsoft security BOTH be turned off. Otherwise, trying to work through whatever 'problem' just isn't practical. Unfortunately, they also need turning on again after the diagnosis and fix... And everything checked again to make sure things still work ok :-(


There must be a better way to use computers!

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Message 1055578 - Posted: 13 Dec 2010, 4:41:06 UTC

Generally the policy my company says is we can turn it off to perform troubleshooting but unless the user requests specifically not to, we will turn it back on at the end of our work.

That gives us a lot more freedom--especially when installing our security/pc maintenance tools.
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Message 1063519 - Posted: 4 Jan 2011, 23:12:38 UTC

Wow! What about this for a case of Marketing distorted negative logic?


Mac OS X is the Most Dangerous OS

The security experts at Trend Micro have crowned Apple's Mac OS X as the riskiest operating system to be used based on the long patch cycles. ...


Really?!...

Or is it that there have been no 'security critical patches' required during the "long patch cycle"? I've not heard of any exploits and I'm sure the press would crow loud and long for any exploits exploiting Mac or Linux. In comparison, such exploits are everyday news for Microsoft systems...


All good fun.
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Message 1068050 - Posted: 18 Jan 2011, 22:58:59 UTC
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Is this really the beginning of the end of the PC?

A wide open post-Wintel world

... This would be fine - except for the coming extinction of the PC.

The wheels are just starting to fall off. At CES, for the first time, almost all of Microsoft's OEM partners abandoned Microsoft exclusivity. And Microsoft's next-generation operating system has abandoned Intel exclusively for the first time. There's no reason to believe that either of the two companies are going to be able to turn this around. ...



For my view, maybe not entirely... But certainly great changes are creeping in to radically change the business game for PCs and laptops...

Even I've recently gone Android despite over a decade of a non-smart walkie-talkie style phone!


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Message 1068218 - Posted: 19 Jan 2011, 13:09:28 UTC

The issue of Windows Vs Mac OS Vs Linux has been going on for many years. And it will continue to do so, because it is in the interests of computing Journalists to keep it on the boil, to keep them in jobs.......

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