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Aristoteles Doukas Send message Joined: 11 Apr 08 Posts: 1091 Credit: 2,140,913 RAC: 0 |
[quote]And with the endless requests by Microsoft's "UAC", most users develop a Pavlovian response to just 'click it away'. There is no such "UAC" or required clickiness in Linux. see, it is the users, not the os which is a problem, get it? about the linux, there is no users. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
[quote]And with the endless requests by Microsoft's "UAC", most users develop a Pavlovian response to just 'click it away'. There is no such "UAC" or required clickiness in Linux. So... The users that use Windows are the problem are they?... Microsoft Windows example: Let's [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] see... [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] Should [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] not [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] the [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] OS [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] be [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] friendly [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] for [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] the [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] users [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] to [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] easily [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] use? [UAC Alert Do you want to see this word? - Yes, No?] The example that is not Microsoft (no "UAC") is much easier and user friendly, yes? The Microsoft "UAC" must be one of the most not-user-friendly features ever to be so fiendishly imposed upon computer users. It certainly gives computing a very bad name! Interestingly, enough people use Linux that Microsoft have been trying to destroy Linux for the past few years... Regards, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
BTW I turned UAC off for the very reason you mention here. Its so overwhelming as to be unuseful In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
An interesting snippet: Brazilian Ministry of Education plan large deployment with Mandriva Linux... ... The Brazilian government education authority has selected Intel-powered classmate PCs running Mandriva Linux for educational use nationwide... will be used in Brazilian schools by teachers, parents and students. And I hope this isn't a sign that one of the original long standing 'big' Linux distros is not getting to be too big: Why is Debian "out-of-date"? With Debian "Squeeze" marching on its way toward a final release, the Debian project has been increasingly in the spotlight and on people's minds. This in turn raises the commonly asked question: why is Debian so slow-moving and out of date? The thing to keep in mind when talking about Debian is the amazing size and scope of the project - it's vast. ... the project includes approximately 36,000 packages, about sixty languages and twelve architectures. And... Pretty good stuff, and all in the name of freedom! Regards, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Aristoteles Doukas Send message Joined: 11 Apr 08 Posts: 1091 Credit: 2,140,913 RAC: 0 |
mandriva is going to bankrupt, so brazil did not make very clever move, and we are talkin country where every tenth children can go to school. btw. clearly you are not used uac, since you are totally ignorant have it works. |
Aristoteles Doukas Send message Joined: 11 Apr 08 Posts: 1091 Credit: 2,140,913 RAC: 0 |
BTW I turned UAC off for the very reason you mention here. Its so overwhelming as to be unuseful put it back on, it is not like that ever. |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
No I'd rather not have M$ dictating what and how I look at things In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
mandriva is going to bankrupt, so brazil did not make very clever move, and we are talkin country where every tenth children can go to school. Mandriva has restructured and is backed by a big investor that will use Mandriva Linux instead of Microsoft. Note, the freedom of Linux allows that investor to easily (and openly) customise the Linux distro for their language and home country. They simply cannot do that with Microsoft. There is also now an alternative version of Mandriva Linux called Mageia that is just starting up. Such is the beauty of freedom. Or is it too scary to have a free choice? Using a Linux distro rather than Microsoft means that Brazil can afford x2 to x4 or more the number of PCs than that possible using Microsoft, assuming the usual Microsoft practices. That means hopefully that many more children will be educated better, faster. btw. clearly you are not used uac, since you are totally ignorant have it works. No, I do not use UAC. I use operating systems that do not need anything like Microsoft's UAC. And I fully understand what UAC does and means... Microsoft's UAC means that the operating system does not trust itself to start applications and so is insecure. Instead, the user must act as the security system for the operating system! No other operating system does that! Incredible. An analogy is that you ("UAC") must stand inside of the barn door to block any horses you do not want to leave. You also then have a second person stood outside the door to lasso any errant horses ("anti-virus") to drag them back in. Meanwhile, the barn (operating system) has all it's doors and windows wide open for illegal entry and exit. You and your friend must run around to guard against all eventualities. Silly? Regards, Martin ("Barn door" is part of a saying: "To close the barn door after the horse has bolted", meaning that you are too late to correct a mistake.) See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
On a more practical note: Tom's Definitive Linux Software Roundup: Image Apps There is a longstanding myth that the choice of multimedia applications is sparse in Linux. This article began as a roundup of Multimedia Apps (multimedia being images, audio, and video). We had to split the story not once, but twice, in order to accommodate the number of titles we found. It's safe to say that this myth has been busted. ... ...The sheer volume of programs made corralling them all into a single story somewhat of a challenge. So, the time we spent with each and descriptions of the various applications had to be shortened to make this piece even possible. ... Quite an article... And even that is far from 'comprehensive'! Too much choice? Regards, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8962 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
Working Tech Support---whenever I have a user w/ Vista or Win7 the first thing we do is turn UAC off to avoid the inteference it gives. |
Aristoteles Doukas Send message Joined: 11 Apr 08 Posts: 1091 Credit: 2,140,913 RAC: 0 |
would be better if you quit then, some tech support. |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
I could see the conversation with clients if UAC were on. and every other line would be "enter your password... Click OK" kinda makes a tech support call lengthy when it doesnt have to be In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8962 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
I could see the conversation with clients if UAC were on. That's exactly why we turn it off before we start our work--especially if we're remoting into the system. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
@ Aristoteles, and All, Please only discuss and argue for your ideas. You are welcome even to describe your love of Microsoft and why you love Microsoft. Ofcourse, provided there is some connection or comparison to be made with this thread. You are also welcome to start your own Microsoft thread if you wish. Please do not attack people with insults. That is not "discussion". If you are right, then you should be able to clearly discuss and explain your ideas. You are also welcome to red-x this post once read. Are you right? Regards, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Aristoteles Doukas Send message Joined: 11 Apr 08 Posts: 1091 Credit: 2,140,913 RAC: 0 |
@ Aristoteles, and All, read, understud and now we discuss like civilized people again. to the topic. uac is for users protection, and should not be turned off, if people have problems with programs and uac, it is clearly because they are written badly and they need rights that any program should not need, in such cause people can use norton´s uac tool, that will help til companys will start to write their programs properly. see, it was easy. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... uac is for users protection, and should not be turned off, "UAC" is unique to Microsoft. There are hundreds of operating systems. No other operating system has "UAC". The "bad writing and design" is in Microsoft Windows itself in that anti-virus and UAC are needed in the first place! Again, no other operating system suffers such silliness. I don't know of any other operating system that supports viruses and malware in the way that Microsoft does. But then again, Microsoft has generated a number of other industries that are highly profitable that attempt to make the Microsoft products more usable... (For the cost of additional costs for the users.) In my 'tech support' role, depending on circumstances, I also instruct that UAC, and Microsoft security BOTH be turned off. Otherwise, trying to work through whatever 'problem' just isn't practical. Unfortunately, they also need turning on again after the diagnosis and fix... And everything checked again to make sure things still work ok :-( There must be a better way to use computers! Regards, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8962 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
Generally the policy my company says is we can turn it off to perform troubleshooting but unless the user requests specifically not to, we will turn it back on at the end of our work. That gives us a lot more freedom--especially when installing our security/pc maintenance tools. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Wow! What about this for a case of Marketing distorted negative logic? Mac OS X is the Most Dangerous OS The security experts at Trend Micro have crowned Apple's Mac OS X as the riskiest operating system to be used based on the long patch cycles. ... Really?!... Or is it that there have been no 'security critical patches' required during the "long patch cycle"? I've not heard of any exploits and I'm sure the press would crow loud and long for any exploits exploiting Mac or Linux. In comparison, such exploits are everyday news for Microsoft systems... All good fun. Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Is this really the beginning of the end of the PC? A wide open post-Wintel world ... This would be fine - except for the coming extinction of the PC. The wheels are just starting to fall off. At CES, for the first time, almost all of Microsoft's OEM partners abandoned Microsoft exclusivity. And Microsoft's next-generation operating system has abandoned Intel exclusively for the first time. There's no reason to believe that either of the two companies are going to be able to turn this around. ... For my view, maybe not entirely... But certainly great changes are creeping in to radically change the business game for PCs and laptops... Even I've recently gone Android despite over a decade of a non-smart walkie-talkie style phone! Keep searchin', Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
Heh. You are all tied up on the OS flamewar bandwagon, and have forgotten the most important holy war in computing, ever. EMACS vs. VI. :P |
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