http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=2518&nowrap=true#31211

update ^^

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with a general handicap of 80% and it makes much d' efforts for the community and s' expimer, thank you d' to be understanding.

This is the part they need to fix if they want better responce....What makes little sense is that the developers wouldn't use every Avenue at their disposal....


"Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. Reporting about it on these forums does not make any sense as the developers HARDLY read these forums."

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This is the part they need to fix if they want better responce....What makes little sense is that the developers wouldn't use every Avenue at their disposal....


"Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. Reporting about it on these forums does not make any sense as the developers HARDLY read these forums."

Putting on my developer's hat for a moment.

It's a choice between developing, and spending all your time searching all of the venues where someone *might* post something.

Saying "please report issues here" is not unreasonable.

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This is the part they need to fix if they want better responce....What makes little sense is that the developers wouldn't use every Avenue at their disposal....


"Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. Reporting about it on these forums does not make any sense as the developers HARDLY read these forums."

Putting on my developer's hat for a moment.

It's a choice between developing, and spending all your time searching all of the venues where someone *might* post something.

Saying "please report issues here" is not unreasonable.

Oh well, I will just continue to post here and count on Richard or Papa to relay anything they find important. I bet that will work just as good as they are both pretty sharp.

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This is the part they need to fix if they want better responce....What makes little sense is that the developers wouldn't use every Avenue at their disposal....


"Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. Reporting about it on these forums does not make any sense as the developers HARDLY read these forums."

Putting on my developer's hat for a moment.

It's a choice between developing, and spending all your time searching all of the venues where someone *might* post something.

Saying "please report issues here" is not unreasonable.

Yup, to the main BOINC message boards wouldn't be unreasonable and pretty sensible...

This is the part they need to fix if they want better responce....What makes little sense is that the developers wouldn't use every Avenue at their disposal....


"Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. Reporting about it on these forums does not make any sense as the developers HARDLY read these forums."

Putting on my developer's hat for a moment.

It's a choice between developing, and spending all your time searching all of the venues where someone *might* post something.

Saying "please report issues here" is not unreasonable.

Yup, to the main BOINC message boards wouldn't be unreasonable and pretty sensible...

Given the amount of noise here, it would be unreasonable and not very sensible.
The Technical News section is a good example of why.

Hence the use of the mailing list.

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Grant
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By going through the email list, your complaint/bug found/bug fix comes in directly in the developers their email box. If you're worried about giving out your main email address, there are plenty free/throw-away options available to use instead.

The developers mainly only read the forums when I, or someone else, points out a thread to them that's of interest. The same as with the Seti admin team, there's really not that many BOINC developers. There aren't 200 people on the programming team - if you think that - just 3 of them, with a handful of volunteer developers to help out.

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This is the part they need to fix if they want better responce....What makes little sense is that the developers wouldn't use every Avenue at their disposal....


"Report any problems you get with it to the Alpha email list. This list needs registration. Reporting about it on these forums does not make any sense as the developers HARDLY read these forums."

Putting on my developer's hat for a moment.

It's a choice between developing, and spending all your time searching all of the venues where someone *might* post something.

Saying "please report issues here" is not unreasonable.

Yup, to the main BOINC message boards wouldn't be unreasonable and pretty sensible...

Given the amount of noise here, it would be unreasonable and not very sensible.
The Technical News section is a good example of why.

Hence the use of the mailing list.

And hence they only 'hear' the problems or suggestions of a few people....

I personally don't like reporting bugs by email. I do it, under protest, because experience tells me that it's the only way to get the message through - specifically, to BOINC.

I don't like it because:

1) It's hard to track. You don't get an acknowledgement, or reference number. It just goes into a long, unstructured, ramble - which frankly can, at times, be just as spammy as some of the threads here.

2) It gives no sense of structure, or relative urgency, to the bug-fixing process. I reported an apparent bug in v6.10.34 on Tuesday (quite a significant one, if I'm right - introduced since v6.10.32 - and I see Claggy has confirmed it overnight). That report went in, with detailled logs attached, even before Rom had sent the public release email, yet nobody from the development team has even acknowledged its existence. We have an existing tool - trac - which allows full prioritising, staus monitoring and timelining, yet they prefer us to use email. Sounds like a very undisciplined development approach to me. (And don't start me on the bugs which are fixed in Trunk, but never copied to Branch - total lack of discipline/structure there).

3) It doesn't provide feedback to the general readership. Message-board bug reporting doesn't just convey information to the developers: it also keeps other users in the loop, and can also promote collaborative problem-solving. I can still remember the time when Eric K put out a plea for help on a mailing list - and I was able to reply that a code patch had already been posted (not by me) on a message board.

I fully understand that the developers haven't got the time or the inclination to meander through all our collective ramblings here - that would a gross waste of their time.

My preferred solution would be a moderated message board area, dedicated to user-generated technical issues. I don't mean moderated in the sense we generally use it here: I mean an area where posts would have to be actively reviewed by a mod before appearing. And I don't mean our current mod team, who haven't been primarily chosen for their technical expertise - they have other work to do. But if we could create a 'quiet area', where substantiated and detailled bug reports could be concentrated, we might - just might - persuade the developers and administrators that it was worth reading.

[I've suggested this before, and it was rejected. It'll probably lie fallow for another couple of years, and then I'll suggest it again]

By going through the email list, your complaint/bug found/bug fix comes in directly in the developers their email box. If you're worried about giving out your main email address, there are plenty free/throw-away options available to use instead.

The developers mainly only read the forums when I, or someone else, points out a thread to them that's of interest. The same as with the Seti admin team, there's really not that many BOINC developers. There aren't 200 people on the programming team - if you think that - just 3 of them, with a handful of volunteer developers to help out.

Actually my concern is that none of it makes sense to me and by putting it in a post others will let me know what mattered and what didn't and I might actually have a chance to learn something!

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So? You think that won't happen on the mailing lists? I've learned quite a lot from just reading there, plus it won't be just the developers answering there, but other knowledgeable people, who don't necessarily populate these forums, as well.

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So? You think that won't happen on the mailing lists? I've learned quite a lot from just reading there, plus it won't be just the developers answering there, but other knowledgeable people, who don't necessarily populate these forums, as well.

I have used the email and read a lot of them but the way I learn and the way you learn are probably quite different. I have always been a Hands on and learn as you go person, I can not read a book and do it. I am an awesome mechanic because everything makes sense to me. When it comes to software it is all like Magic to me. My older brother picks up on computer programming but is a crappy mechanic, shouldn't even try to change his own oil. We are all different and have different abilities, I have learned not make people feel stupid when they can't do what I can do and you could try a bit yourself.

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You guys have gotten a little off topic. 6.10.36 is out now.

I'll post the details on the 6.10.34 message thread rather than starting a new one, as there aren't many changes in this release.

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