If this ain't a kick in the pants....

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Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 6948 Credit: 1,292,417 RAC: 387	Message 973836 - Posted: 25 Feb 2010, 18:51:43 UTC
	I use Belarc Advisor. It gives keys for all programs that have them as well as complete system info. ____________
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msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34711 Credit: 354,942,837 RAC: 379,076	Message 973841 - Posted: 25 Feb 2010, 19:12:27 UTC Last modified: 25 Feb 2010, 19:14:52 UTC
	Well, I got the ball rolling. Got it to boot from the CD, but it halted when it came time to format the new HD... I'll have to back the OC down for the install process I suspect. But I have to go to work shortly, so it'll have to wait until tonight. Opened up the GTX295 and chased a few dust bunnies away in the meantime. ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
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[KWSN]John Galt 007 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Nov 99 Posts: 2439 Credit: 16,594,037 RAC: 0	Message 973849 - Posted: 25 Feb 2010, 19:59:57 UTC - in response to Message 973769.
	Mark...feel your pain...some intelligent person hit a pole 2 nights ago in the snow...came to work and the work pharm was down, electricity went out about 7:30 PM for 40 minutes...restarted the pharm and my Q9450 HD was making an awful racket and wouldn't boot....let it spin up and warm up (it was about 50F in the back of the shop) and it came back alive... If it happens again I am going to paperweight it and install x64 on that rig... Backup anything you wanna save NOW...LOL. I need to learn about RAID setups. How many drives do I need to retain all data if one dies? Do they all need to be identical drives? Can I convert a current single drive setup (as in my daily driver) to a RAID config without reloading everything? As the Frozen Nehi's HD apparently is a brick, I'll probably try to get it going this weekend from scratch with the new spare I have.... But I should look into RAID going forward. It's a cruncher...nothing worth saving there... ____________ Clk2HlpSetiCty:::PayIt4ward
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msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34711 Credit: 354,942,837 RAC: 379,076	Message 973969 - Posted: 26 Feb 2010, 7:05:57 UTC
	Frozen Nehi at stock settings.... May have lost all my bios OC settings... Now formatting 500Gb HD. This will take a bit. Meow meow. ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
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msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34711 Credit: 354,942,837 RAC: 379,076	Message 973983 - Posted: 26 Feb 2010, 8:42:37 UTC Last modified: 26 Feb 2010, 8:44:15 UTC
	Just finished formatting.....now loading system files. Only took an hour and 3/4 or so...LOL. Hope nothing hangs at this point. Just luv the Windows messages.... 'Loading system files...this might take a few minutes.'... ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
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Andy Worth Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 23 Oct 02 Posts: 5596 Credit: 10,198,595 RAC: 1,570	Message 973984 - Posted: 26 Feb 2010, 8:53:05 UTC
	Do you bother doing Windows updates Mark or just install the bare essentials to crunch with? If you're not going on the Net and are sitting behind a firewall then there's not a lot of mileage in installing updates is there? ____________
	ID: 973984 ·

msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34711 Credit: 354,942,837 RAC: 379,076	Message 973985 - Posted: 26 Feb 2010, 8:58:40 UTC - in response to Message 973984. Last modified: 26 Feb 2010, 9:11:17 UTC
	Do you bother doing Windows updates Mark or just install the bare essentials to crunch with? If you're not going on the Net and are sitting behind a firewall then there's not a lot of mileage in installing updates is there? I will do all the updates..... There are some things, I think, that will not install correctly unless you have the service packs installed. Probably not a lot of mileage in them, but I shall go the full boat at this point. I have the rah rah rah Windows splash screens displaying now... EDIT... BTW...The Frozen Nehi is drawing about 172 watts in this stock rebuilding mode. I have slowed the condenser fan down to it's lowest setting to minimize refrigerant flooding...but it's still at -33.8c. ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
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msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34711 Credit: 354,942,837 RAC: 379,076	Message 973992 - Posted: 26 Feb 2010, 9:23:42 UTC
	Windows loaded. Now I remember how painful all this BS is.......... Doing the regedit to get it to auto load every time without asking for my password, getting whatever to work the way it used to...... This may or may not get completed tonight. ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
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Fred J. Verster Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 Apr 04 Posts: 3232 Credit: 31,585,541 RAC: 0	Message 974001 - Posted: 26 Feb 2010, 10:20:49 UTC - in response to Message 973992. Last modified: 26 Feb 2010, 10:23:53 UTC
	It sure is a kick in the pants, on my X64 CUDA host, the second Seagate 500GB drive fails, too. AAAAarrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh@#$%^&() Now, I going to get me a Spinpoint (Samsung) or Hitachi, but no Seagate's, for a while, at least. Never had so much trouble, as with some of the 500GB drives. (I know there are a lot, from last years batch, that are just bad!) Well, maybe RAID 1, too . . . Used the 'BOOT-Failing drive, from 5 month ago, for data, which still works, knock on wood . . . Maybe it's it's a drive-flue, probably epidemic . . .LOL Trying to save to data/WU's, sighhhhhh. ____________ Knight Who Says Ni N!, OUT* numbered.................
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msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34711 Credit: 354,942,837 RAC: 379,076	Message 974002 - Posted: 26 Feb 2010, 10:25:04 UTC
	Any stats on the most reliable HD around? MTBF.....24/7? ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
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Luke Volunteer developer Send message Joined: 31 Dec 06 Posts: 2546 Credit: 816,984 RAC: 26	Message 974004 - Posted: 26 Feb 2010, 10:28:52 UTC - in response to Message 974002.
	Any stats on the most reliable HD around? MTBF.....24/7? If you are willing to pay a bit extra, you could skip RAID and invest in a SSD. Very high MTBF. Otherwise, I'd recommend Western Digital. My old 80GB WD SATA is still going 7 years strong. And my 1.5TB WD SATA is still working 1.5 months into its life. ____________ - Luke.
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msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34711 Credit: 354,942,837 RAC: 379,076	Message 974005 - Posted: 26 Feb 2010, 10:36:26 UTC - in response to Message 974004. Last modified: 26 Feb 2010, 10:37:03 UTC
	Any stats on the most reliable HD around? MTBF.....24/7? If you are willing to pay a bit extra, you could skip RAID and invest in a SSD. Very high MTBF. Otherwise, I'd recommend Western Digital. My old 80GB WD SATA is still going 7 years strong. And my 1.5TB WD SATA is still working 1.5 months into its life. Dunno....... I think the jury is still out on long term SSD longevity. Solid, yes. Fast, yes. But long term read/write stats have been in question compared with a standard magnetic HD. MTBF stats...anything outstanding that anybody knows of? ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
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Luke Volunteer developer Send message Joined: 31 Dec 06 Posts: 2546 Credit: 816,984 RAC: 26	Message 974008 - Posted: 26 Feb 2010, 10:48:10 UTC - in response to Message 974005. Last modified: 26 Feb 2010, 10:48:37 UTC
	Any stats on the most reliable HD around? MTBF.....24/7? If you are willing to pay a bit extra, you could skip RAID and invest in a SSD. Very high MTBF. Otherwise, I'd recommend Western Digital. My old 80GB WD SATA is still going 7 years strong. And my 1.5TB WD SATA is still working 1.5 months into its life. Dunno....... I think the jury is still out on long term SSD longevity. Solid, yes. Fast, yes. But long term read/write stats have been in question compared with a standard magnetic HD. MTBF stats...anything outstanding that anybody knows of? I'd go SSD if I had a failure like that, but it's your choice. Don't always trust MTBF. Apparently they're greatly exagerated. There's a 2TB WD out there that has a 1.2 million hr MTBF (137 years). That's a huge example of exaggeration. ____________ - Luke.
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Fred J. Verster Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 Apr 04 Posts: 3232 Credit: 31,585,541 RAC: 0	Message 974009 - Posted: 26 Feb 2010, 10:49:42 UTC - in response to Message 974004. Last modified: 26 Feb 2010, 11:06:51 UTC
	Well, I've never see a Mean Time Between Failiars, of 5 month (24x7). Too much, better too little. On my other host's I've 2 F1 Spinpoints and Hitachi's and a few Back-Up (USB 2.0) Western Digital, running for 3 to 4 years, in a row. With only 1 failing, probably due to constant transportation. [ADDED]Those Solid State Drive's are still a bit (too) expensive, o.t.h. losing (precious) data, can also be (very) expensive, at least, very annoying . But, they are the future, anyway, since a regular drive is the only important moving device, exept Fan's and BlueRay/DVD/CD-ROM drives. So, IMHO, it's about time for a solid solution anyway, anyhow. Maybe I should choose another AVATAR . . . . ____________ Knight Who Says Ni N!, OUT numbered.................
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msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34711 Credit: 354,942,837 RAC: 379,076	Message 974012 - Posted: 26 Feb 2010, 10:58:06 UTC - in response to Message 974009.
	Well, I've never see a Mean Time Between Failiars, of 5 month (24x7). Too much, better too little. On my other host's I've 2 F1 Spinpoints and Hitachi's and a few Back-Up (USB 2.0) Western Digital, running for 3 to 4 years, in a row. With only 1 failing, probably due to constant transportation. Yeah......I have success stories like that too.........mostly Seagates.......that have been running for many years on end. The question was............... Does anybody have real data about any particular HD's that have better than averager MTBF stats? ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
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Fred J. Verster Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 Apr 04 Posts: 3232 Credit: 31,585,541 RAC: 0	Message 974015 - Posted: 26 Feb 2010, 11:20:28 UTC - in response to Message 974012. Last modified: 26 Feb 2010, 11:26:27 UTC
	Point is, you always have to rely on a company's figures, for MTBF and other important drive info. Seems to me, it's hard to tell, whithout actually maesuring/keeping track, of such info. And, ofcoarse, bad luck, wrong moon or stars in the 'wrong constellation', is an unmeasurable factor . . . Or trying, if it really can withstand 10G's . . . Anyway, BOINC is going to be installed on a separate partition, this time anyway. [ADDED]Did anyone notice, the post stats counter has stopped counting, I've a few post's, marked 1600! Not (yet) an(other) DATABASE Drive crash, I hope . . . ____________ Knight Who Says Ni N!, OUT numbered.................
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msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34711 Credit: 354,942,837 RAC: 379,076	Message 974050 - Posted: 26 Feb 2010, 15:13:14 UTC - in response to Message 974015. Last modified: 26 Feb 2010, 15:22:23 UTC
	Point is, you always have to rely on a company's figures, for MTBF and other important drive info. Seems to me, it's hard to tell, whithout actually maesuring/keeping track, of such info. And, ofcoarse, bad luck, wrong moon or stars in the 'wrong constellation', is an unmeasurable factor . . . Or trying, if it really can withstand 10G's . . . Anyway, BOINC is going to be installed on a separate partition, this time anyway. [ADDED]Did anyone notice, the post stats counter has stopped counting, I've a few post's, marked 1600! Not (yet) an(other) DATABASE Drive crash, I hope . . . And, of course, If I were a rich man...sigh..... it wouldn't matter. Like Solomon the wise..... All day long I'd biddy biddy bum on Seti.....LOL. ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
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Link Send message Joined: 18 Sep 03 Posts: 711 Credit: 1,220,698 RAC: 1,122	Message 974052 - Posted: 26 Feb 2010, 15:22:59 UTC - in response to Message 974008. Last modified: 26 Feb 2010, 15:29:00 UTC
	There's a 2TB WD out there that has a 1.2 million hr MTBF (137 years). That's a huge example of exaggeration. That's because MTBF is NOT the expected lifetime. Wikipedia, read specially the part "Common MTBF misconceptions". ____________ .
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1mp0£173 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 8423 Credit: 356,897 RAC: 0	Message 974074 - Posted: 26 Feb 2010, 16:42:00 UTC - in response to Message 974005.
	Solid, yes. Fast, yes. But long term read/write stats have been in question compared with a standard magnetic HD. A lot of people read that SSDs are good for a million writes or somesuch, but they don't read how that million gets counted. It's per-bit, and it only counts if the bit changes. Write "0" into a byte that is already "0" and it does not count. That said, aside from avoiding Hitachi, just go get a drive and don't worry about it. I also would not do RAID. What I would do is get something like Acronis True Image, and make an image of the system after you finish, and periodically. That way, if the system dies, you just restore the image. ____________
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Iona Send message Joined: 12 Jul 07 Posts: 517 Credit: 2,326,509 RAC: 1,708	Message 974622 - Posted: 28 Feb 2010, 0:40:57 UTC - in response to Message 974074.
	Solid, yes. Fast, yes. But long term read/write stats have been in question compared with a standard magnetic HD. A lot of people read that SSDs are good for a million writes or somesuch, but they don't read how that million gets counted. It's per-bit, and it only counts if the bit changes. Write "0" into a byte that is already "0" and it does not count. That said, aside from avoiding Hitachi, just go get a drive and don't worry about it. I also would not do RAID. What I would do is get something like Acronis True Image, and make an image of the system after you finish, and periodically. That way, if the system dies, you just restore the image. I'm running Hitachi DeskStar P7K500s in both PCs (two in each) and although they may not be running 24/7/365, they've been running at least 12/7/365. The oldest drives have been in operation for around 18 months and completely reliable. In the past, I've seen many people 'pan' Maxtor, but, in 15 years, I never had one fail - indeed, two are still performing as they should, in a 12 year old PC that I still use (13.6 GB was huge in those days) with a DOS/Win 3.1/Win95 OS, mainly for old games. Thats not to say that I'd buy a Maxtor, these days....didn't Seagate buy them? Never bought Seagates - always thought them over-rated. For about three years, I've had main boards that would support various RAID functions, but I've always used external drives for back-ups - its just easier to do, especially with USB. ____________ Don't take life too seriously, as you'll never come out of it alive!
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