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Message 978705 - Posted: 14 Mar 2010, 18:22:01 UTC - in response to Message 978679.

That was in BOINC 6.10.36. It suddenly gorged overnight. I dropped back to 6.10.29 just an hour before the latest SETI problems started so I have no idea if 6.10.29 will handle the work queue right.

6.10.36 WAS the recommended version. Now it's 6.10.18
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Message 978715 - Posted: 14 Mar 2010, 19:16:19 UTC

Unlike many people I see no reason to jump on the latest version unless it has a significant change that I like or need. In my short three-plus years of crunching I've never seen a version that wouldn't work months after a newer version was released - so what's the hurry?

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Message 978719 - Posted: 14 Mar 2010, 19:29:32 UTC

I too have been unable to upload results or download new packages for about two and a half days now. However, the server status page is starting to look better, and the messages in the boinc manager are different now so it would seem seti is working on whatever problem there is.
I think the best thing to do is to just let the manager try on it's own and eventually it'll start up again.
I've been contributing for seti since 1999 (with a large hiatus in the middle when they joined boinc and due to other reasons. I'm not about to quit now.

Good luck to the people trying to solve the problem.

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Message 978722 - Posted: 14 Mar 2010, 19:51:31 UTC - in response to Message 978491.

Uploading results, downloading new work units and even updating one's project has become such a mission that one is forced to suggest shutting the project down until it can be made to work reliably at least some of the time. While I do appreciate the efforts of the project leaders, let us not forget that the contributors to the project are the ones who are paying to make it run through increased electricity bills - something we are no doubt happy to do, but I think users would be happier contributing to a project that actually works more often than not and bears some fruit.


To which more damage to the project might happen if it were to close down since things more than likely won't change. To make the project more reliable, you'd need more hardware and more manpower thrown at the problem, both of which costs money. Since the project has neither, it won't be any better after it's shut down.

Further, if users are unhappy about paying their electric bill for a distributed computing project that is having problems, there are two answers to rectify the situation more realistically: 1) join another project to keep those CPUs busy and thus not "waste" any electricity or failing that 2) accept that the project is doing the best they can and there will be periods of understandable and unavoidable downtime given the resources they have, and simply accept that if you don't have any work, your wasted electric bill is on you given the 1st option.

You forgot #3: Send some cash to keep the lights on.

When I can in July, If I have enough, I'll send $20 to S@H, It's all I can possibly do now, But then I haven't won the Mega-Millions Lottery yet(the $20 doesn't depend on the Lottery though). :D
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Message 978908 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 8:42:36 UTC

hi,

Something work wrong with uploud / download again.
I waiting five days and soon there'll be deathline to report my work - what a pity :(
Let's us know what is going on with seti.

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Message 978921 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 9:57:55 UTC
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Same problem here ....
neither upload working nor download :(
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Message 979023 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 16:02:11 UTC - in response to Message 978921.

Yes, and I have to admit that this is a very very BORING game! (Germany, Berlin, but probably from everywhere)
No info, no significant server status problems visible, just failure failure failure.
Even no download of new jobs...
Finally, many thousands of CPU hours wasted.

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Message 979028 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 16:14:27 UTC - in response to Message 979023.

Same issues here. I'm running with Einstein 'til things are running again
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Message 979034 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 16:34:57 UTC
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Downloading is just fine but uploading isn't working but it appears its the same for everyone. Oh and VW Bobier, I'm right there with you. As soon as I win the lottery not only does my future look brighter so does SETIs. Either way I've been at it since 2001 and I'm not stopping now so take all the time you guys need to sort things out my PCs will be waiting.
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Message 979045 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 17:32:35 UTC - in response to Message 979034.

I have got 10 units waiting to unload so I have suspended the fetching of new S@H work until the problem is resolved.
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Message 979051 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 17:43:15 UTC

You guys are lucky, I can't even get downloads.
Most of my crunchers have a large cache and still running, but a couple are sucking fumes.


Here's hoping for a quick fix...

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Message 979073 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 18:11:31 UTC

I have my preferences set to keep 10 days of work, so I'm still crunching S@H; I just cannot upload results.

I spotted what may be a new preference which may be of interest to those who have run out of work units.

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http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/index.php
Click PREFERENCES
Click SETI@HOME PREFERENCES
Click EDIT SETI@HOME PREFERENCES
Check "If no work for selected applications is available, accept work from other applications?"

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I have no idea what this will actually do as I am not out of work.
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Message 979075 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 18:16:43 UTC - in response to Message 979073.

Hi Rick;

You will usually get quicker answers to questions like this on Number Crunching.

What the "If no work for selected..." will do depends on what applications you have selected.

For example, I dream of getting AP units, so that is the only application selected in my preferences. I also have "If no work for selected..." set to yes, so mostly I get regular WUs these days. And about one AP unit a month.
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Message 979076 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 18:19:12 UTC - in response to Message 979073.

Don't think that will help.
If you set a preference, for instance for astropulse, this would allow you to get Multibeam when astropulse is not available, All within SETI.

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Message 979086 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 18:48:40 UTC

well
those various outages are potentially concern to me as it may suggest distributing computing is not doing so well; as far it still depends on central 'brain' which , eventually seems to got more and more pain to handle all the clients / wonder how to setup distributed server ...
this is not a complain but i wonder how far we get to some ""limits""; since clients are getting stronger and stronger..
cheers
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Message 979091 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 19:04:50 UTC

Nothing is a "waste". The units are done - just awaiting a time to upload. Only a waste if you have HDD-failure in the meantime. + if you drain your cache it will actually *save* you money because your machine will drop down from 100%-loading :).

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Message 979137 - Posted: 15 Mar 2010, 21:30:35 UTC - in response to Message 979075.

For example, I dream of getting AP units, so that is the only application selected in my preferences. I also have "If no work for selected..." set to yes, so mostly I get regular WUs these days. And about one AP unit a month.


Really only one a month for AP? I've gotten about 3 or 4 AP units on each of my machines in the last week (of course a lot more regular ones to go with it also).

Of course there's a nice big list of WUs waiting to be reported .. hopefully these issues get resolved before they expire :)
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Message 979266 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 2:02:59 UTC - in response to Message 979137.
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last one out, turn out the lights!!!
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Message 979297 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 3:15:35 UTC
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"Weekly Outage
Every Tuesday morning (Pacific time) we have a 3-4 hour outage for database maintenance. The upload/download servers and some web pages are offline during this time"

The only different to the last days is the red colour on the status page ;-)

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Message 979306 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 3:39:37 UTC - in response to Message 979076.

Don't think that will help.
If you set a preference, for instance for astropulse, this would allow you to get Multibeam when astropulse is not available, All within SETI.


Oh, I thought if you ran out of S@H work units that you wold do work on a secondary project (e.g. Folding@Home) to keep your computer busy.
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