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Message 971467 - Posted: 19 Feb 2010, 2:35:57 UTC - in response to Message 971463.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=3050453
the above computer, just like half of my others, is all out of work. but will not request more becuase it can't upload the results it has.


2/18/2010 8:31:36 PM SETI@home update requested by user
2/18/2010 8:31:41 PM SETI@home Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
2/18/2010 8:31:41 PM SETI@home Reporting 39 completed tasks, not requesting new tasks
2/18/2010 8:32:03 PM Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
2/18/2010 8:32:04 PM Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
2/18/2010 8:32:06 PM SETI@home Scheduler request failed: Couldn't connect to server

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Message 971471 - Posted: 19 Feb 2010, 2:42:22 UTC - in response to Message 971446.

Ned Ludd wrote:
DNA also wrote about planet where most of the people were unhappy for pretty much of the time.

He wrote that most of the suggested solutions were largely concerned with "the movements of small green pieces of paper, which is odd because on the whole it wasn't the small green bits of paper that were unhappy."

The work isn't moving, but it isn't unhappy about it.

I don't know what you're on but I'll have some too please.

You can get some here: http://www.thriftbooks.com/viewDetails.aspx?ISBN=0517542099 or through your local bookseller.
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Message 971474 - Posted: 19 Feb 2010, 2:43:53 UTC - in response to Message 971370.
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>For those that will stay with the project, I truly wish you the outcome you
>seek.

Ged?

Is that you, old son? How y'all are?

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Message 971477 - Posted: 19 Feb 2010, 3:09:11 UTC - in response to Message 971370.
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Well, after due consideration, and the seeming lack of interest from the seti staff to resolve or even engage with contributor's about what is (or not!) happening, I'm ceasing my contribution to this project.


A sad attitude indeed. My four measly machines manage to keep busy by simply participating in one or more of the dozens of other available projects. The folks at SETI, IMHO, do a remarkable job with the markedly limited resources they've been saddled with.

You've stopped contributing - I've doubled my contribution and donation, albeit small.
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Message 971488 - Posted: 19 Feb 2010, 4:17:47 UTC - in response to Message 971477.

Well, after due consideration, and the seeming lack of interest from the seti staff to resolve or even engage with contributor's about what is (or not!) happening, I'm ceasing my contribution to this project.


A sad attitude indeed. My four measly machines manage to keep busy by simply participating in one or more of the dozens of other available projects. The folks at SETI, IMHO, do a remarkable job with the markedly limited resources they've been saddled with.

You've stopped contributing - I've doubled my contribution and donation, albeit small.

The sad part is, Ged has posted four times, and the oldest, a thousand days ago, is pretty much like this one.
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Message 971499 - Posted: 19 Feb 2010, 4:40:52 UTC

Are people making money off of their SETI credits? I can't see any other reason for being so upset because it's down. They must be loosing big time to be that upset. Take a deep breath, relax, maybe get on another project while you're waiting, but stay cool.
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Message 971502 - Posted: 19 Feb 2010, 4:47:53 UTC - in response to Message 971499.

Are people making money off of their SETI credits? I can't see any other reason for being so upset because it's down. They must be loosing big time to be that upset. Take a deep breath, relax, maybe get on another project while you're waiting, but stay cool.

I wouldn't say upset really....
Most of those who bother to post in these forums are avid Seti project supporters. Some have valid beefs about the way things work, and voice their opinions.
Mostly, I think we are just disappointed when we cannot contribute at the level we are used to doing. So, we complain a little, and look for answers to the problem.
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Message 971507 - Posted: 19 Feb 2010, 4:59:27 UTC

I think they need to find a bigger support group, admit to who they are, and come out of the closet. They needn't be ashamed. There must be a better place for them. They shouldn't have to hide. ;-)
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Message 971521 - Posted: 19 Feb 2010, 6:14:33 UTC

Voicing complaints is fine, but what I seem to hear mostly is a lot of pissing and moaning about RACs falling.

Not being able to contribute at the level one is used to doing seems to be a misguided effort to begin with. One should never expect to contribute at 100%, 100% of the time when dealing with projects such as SETI and it's budget/server issues that we are all aware of.

It really should all be taken in stride, IMHO. If I go to my local homeless shelter and I can't put in 100% effort for some reason, it's fine by me. I could complain about wasting gas driving down there, but I do it by choice to begin with. I think less complaining and more understanding go a long way to being happier overall. Unless you like complaining and being upset....
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Message 971522 - Posted: 19 Feb 2010, 6:24:58 UTC - in response to Message 971521.
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Voicing complaints is fine, but what I seem to hear mostly is a lot of pissing and moaning about RACs falling.

Not being able to contribute at the level one is used to doing seems to be a misguided effort to begin with. One should never expect to contribute at 100%, 100% of the time when dealing with projects such as SETI and it's budget/server issues that we are all aware of.

It really should all be taken in stride, IMHO. If I go to my local homeless shelter and I can't put in 100% effort for some reason, it's fine by me. I could complain about wasting gas driving down there, but I do it by choice to begin with. I think less complaining and more understanding go a long way to being happier overall. Unless you like complaining and being upset....

Well, as I said, not upset, really.
Some of us are just passionate about what we do.
Call it manic/depressive. Call it OCD. Call it driven. Call it whatever you like. Call it me.

I am that way in most things I do. Just because the project does not promise 100% does not mean I will not try to give it my 100%.
And I realize that the project does not have the resources to do so.

I am not bashing Seti in the least. You must realize that, don't you?

That does not mean I won't put my 2 cents in on a regular basis, and point out what I see for others to comment on. Like yourself.

There are many times when we 'complainers' have pointed the way to solutions or problems that the staff had not thought of or realized were happening at the time.

Call it constructive criticism.

If I would win the lottery things could be different, of course.
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Message 971526 - Posted: 19 Feb 2010, 6:38:13 UTC - in response to Message 971522.

I have no problem with constructive criticism, or being driven, or dedicated. Those are all good traits if taken in moderation. I wouldn't even say I'm necessarily talking about you specifically.

I just get tired of reading flame complaints like Ged and those like him. Wasted anger and frustration that leads to a life of discontent, IMO. I think we, as a human race often insist on putting more into things than really should be. Everyone is free to do as they please, it just seems a waste of unnecessary energy to be so upset all the time (or every time there's a server problem).

It just simply isn't a big deal if there's a problem. It'll be fixed when it gets fixed and no sooner.
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Message 971574 - Posted: 19 Feb 2010, 8:43:40 UTC - in response to Message 971526.

I got up to #66 top host steadily, surely, and remain there at the moment until the flood of pending files get in. A couple weeks ago I invested in a GTX295 card for SETI 95% of the time that I'm not gaming...and I'm all out of CUDA jobs days ago. However, I don't care b/c it is for the cause that we all seek. More major crunching will come and I have faith in these guys to do their best to resolve the issues. I just wish everyone else had the same amount of patience.

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Message 971594 - Posted: 19 Feb 2010, 9:28:20 UTC - in response to Message 971574.

I run GPU Grid when Seti runs out of cuda to keep the heaters running.
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Message 971595 - Posted: 19 Feb 2010, 9:36:01 UTC - in response to Message 971526.
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I have no problem with constructive criticism, or being driven, or dedicated. Those are all good traits if taken in moderation. I wouldn't even say I'm necessarily talking about you specifically.

I just get tired of reading flame complaints like Ged and those like him. Wasted anger and frustration that leads to a life of discontent, IMO. I think we, as a human race often insist on putting more into things than really should be. Everyone is free to do as they please, it just seems a waste of unnecessary energy to be so upset all the time (or every time there's a server problem).

It just simply isn't a big deal if there's a problem. It'll be fixed when it gets fixed and no sooner.


In Spain we say[about timetable/schedule]:
We open the bar when we arrive and we close the bar when we leave!
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Message 971598 - Posted: 19 Feb 2010, 9:41:33 UTC

for thermal control of computer rooms we find an item some can special at http://froggyhome.com/index.php.

A sensors set, packaged in a very nice frog, you plug it into your PC to have an accurate barometer, thermometer, hygrometer and data logger.

it could be used with Windows or linux
we use the thermal info to drive the compute to safely shutdown if someting gose wrong via SNMP /IPMI

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Message 971599 - Posted: 19 Feb 2010, 9:41:52 UTC - in response to Message 971456.

http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=%2Frouter-interfaces%2Finr-250%2Fgigabitethernet2_3;view=Octets;ranges=d%3Aw

http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=/router-interfaces/inr-250/gigabitethernet5_1&ranges=d%3Aw&view=Octets

what is the difference between these two charts, i know different routers, but where in the system?

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Message 971600 - Posted: 19 Feb 2010, 9:52:20 UTC


Who think everything is well with the SETI@home servers/connection?

I have since days only:

2/19/2010 10:39:26 AM SETI@home Temporarily failed upload of xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: HTTP error

and

2/19/2010 9:19:37 AM Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site
2/19/2010 9:19:39 AM Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.
2/19/2010 9:19:40 AM SETI@home Scheduler request failed: Couldn't connect to server


The PCs idle and can't UL. Because of this no work request.


The Inet connection of the servers are cutted 50 %?
My BOINCs can't reach the servers.


The Cricket Graph show:
DL: 31.96 Mbits/sec
UL: 6.89 Mbits/sec
..of the last router between SETI@home and us.. and nothing happen on my PCs.


Someone know how long it will last??
So I could switch off my PCs and could safe ~ 400 W idle money.


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Message 971601 - Posted: 19 Feb 2010, 10:01:03 UTC - in response to Message 971599.

http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=%2Frouter-interfaces%2Finr-250%2Fgigabitethernet2_3;view=Octets;ranges=d%3Aw

http://fragment1.berkeley.edu/newcricket/grapher.cgi?target=/router-interfaces/inr-250/gigabitethernet5_1&ranges=d%3Aw&view=Octets

what is the difference between these two charts, i know different routers, but where in the system?

I... think 2_3 is in the lab going down the hill, and I think 5_1 is at the bottom of the hill. Not 100% sure on that, but I think 2_3 tends to be more accurate. It is only a 100mbit link, and I have seen 5_1 report upwards of 140mbit before, whereas I have never seen 2_3 report more than 98mbit, which is realistic.
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Message 971605 - Posted: 19 Feb 2010, 10:25:26 UTC - in response to Message 970983.

Well, shoot. Right at the end of the work day yesterday the air conditioning unit failed.


since the A/C system isn't designed to be redundent for a server farm, perhaps it would be a good idea to let the servers "out of the closet", and put them back in the lab (i don't know the size of your lab, but i would think the lab would have a larger thremal mass then a closet).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kEerkUgQuw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlgRJC3DKMs&feature=related
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Message 971610 - Posted: 19 Feb 2010, 11:25:52 UTC - in response to Message 971605.

Well, shoot. Right at the end of the work day yesterday the air conditioning unit failed.


since the A/C system isn't designed to be redundent for a server farm, perhaps it would be a good idea to let the servers "out of the closet", and put them back in the lab (i don't know the size of your lab, but i would think the lab would have a larger thremal mass then a closet).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kEerkUgQuw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlgRJC3DKMs&feature=related

And issue ear-defenders??

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