Hello everybody,

i think it's been long enough now for everybody to wait for an explanation (excuse?) for the significantly slowdown in processing caused by the new 4.05 seti client application. The version 4.05 has been reported often enough by different enough people using different enough windows system setups.

Also is it unfair compared to mac and *ix systems which are still using the 4.02 client! I don't see any special cause why all windows user had to upgrade to 4.05! There is definitely no more science, no deeper analysis only longer processing times. An you only got credit for the longer processing times if you're lucky and will be validated against other windows machines. That's no fun at all :(

Another (at least for me) important issue is:
The 4.05 client steals computing time from other projects also attached for absolutely no cause.

And to all cheerleaders:
I (and propably others) don't want to hear the usual blabla: "It's all for the science... who cares about credits is a (insert dumb remarks here)..."
Dam'n not! It's wasted cycles and energy and is probably better invested into other projects.

@Developers: So, what's up with it?

@Cheerleaders: flame away!

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Aloha, Uli

Not even worth what I am typing now lolololololololol Poor baby he needs his credits.........

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Semper Eadem
So long Paul, it has been a hell of a ride.

Park your ego's, fire up the computers, Science YES, Credits No.

> Not even worth what I am typing now lolololololololol Poor baby he needs his
> credits.........
>

You didn't even read the post? Or probably you simply can't?
lolololololololol :P

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Aloha, Uli

> Hello everybody,
>
> i think it's been long enough now for everybody to wait for an explanation
> (excuse?) for the significantly slowdown in processing caused by the new 4.05
> seti client application. The version 4.05 has been reported often enough by
> different enough people using different enough windows system setups.
>
> Also is it unfair compared to mac and *ix systems which are still using the
> 4.02 client! I don't see any special cause why all windows user had to upgrade
> to 4.05! There is definitely no more science, no deeper analysis only longer
> processing times. An you only got credit for the longer processing times if
> you're lucky and will be validated against other windows machines. That's no
> fun at all :(
>
> Another (at least for me) important issue is:
> The 4.05 client steals computing time from other projects also attached for
> absolutely no cause.
>
> And to all cheerleaders:
> I (and propably others) don't want to hear the usual blabla: "It's all for the
> science... who cares about credits is a (insert dumb remarks here)..."
> Dam'n not! It's wasted cycles and energy and is probably better invested into
> other projects.
>
> @Developers: So, what's up with it?
>
> @Cheerleaders: flame away!
>
>

Absolutely my point of view too

> > Not even worth what I am typing now lolololololololol Poor baby he needs
> his
> > credits.........
> >
>
> You didn't even read the post? Or probably you simply can't?
> lolololololololol :P
>
>
@ Uli
Manche können eben oder wollen nicht lesen. Ich denke auch das das ganze von Berkeley nur inzeniert wurde, um der sache mit den Servern Herr zu werden.

> Manche können eben oder wollen nicht lesen. Ich denke auch das das ganze von
> Berkeley nur inzeniert wurde, um der sache mit den Servern Herr zu werden.
>
> [english]
> Some people can't or don't want to read. I think it's only set in scene
> from Berkeley to clear things up regarding the server overloads.
> [/english]

@Clawhammer64.de
Das sehe ich auch so, aber das traut sich natürlich keiner öffentlich zu sagen. Würde ich auch nicht tun, denn das wäre der Tod für das Projekt. Ich hoffe immer noch, es ist nur ein 'glitch'. Aber was tun könnten die wirklich mal!
Schönes Gefühl, nicht alleine mit meiner Meinung zu sein, Danke! ;)
[english]
That's also my point of view, but nobody dares to say officially. I wouldn't do that also, cause that would mean death to the project. But at least i still hope, it's only a glitch, but they really should do something about it!
Nice feeling, not being the only one that feels like this, thanks! ;)
[/english]

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Aloha, Uli

>
> Another (at least for me) important issue is:
> The 4.05 client steals computing time from other projects also attached for
> absolutely no cause.
>

If it's another BOINC-project, it steals no computer-time from this other project, since with example a 50% seti-share you're crunching seti 12 hour/day regardless of how fast or slow the seti-application is. ;)

sache mit den Servern Herr zu werden....
also jetzt aber runter mit der hose ,was geht da ab,
oder merkt der eine oder andere so langsam was wirklich gerechnet wird
ich sage nur keylooger,tastenanschlag überprüfung etc.
gibts alles als zugabe, so ein richtiger seti plus pack

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BUMP ruleZ

> > Manche können eben oder wollen nicht lesen. Ich denke auch das das ganze
> von
> > Berkeley nur inzeniert wurde, um der sache mit den Servern Herr zu
> werden.
> >
>
> @Clawhammer64.de
> Das sehe ich auch so, aber das traut sich natürlich keiner öffentlich zu
> sagen. Würde ich auch nicht tun, denn das wäre der Tod für das Projekt. Ich
> hoffe immer noch, es ist nur ein 'glitch'. Aber was tun könnten die wirklich
> mal!
> Schönes Gefühl, nicht alleine mit meiner Meinung zu sein, Danke! ;)
>
>
Da sind wir bestimmt nicht die einzigen. Aber es traut sich wohl keiner was zu sagen. Da wird dann bloß dumm rumgelabert und alles schön geredet.

Und und von Berkeley erwarte ich keine sinvolle Antwort....

> If it's another BOINC-project, it steals no computer-time from this other
> project, since with example a 50% seti-share you're crunching seti 12 hour/day
> regardless of how fast or slow the seti-application is. ;)
>

Yes, that's right ;)
But if it could do the same work in a 66% other and 33% seti environment. In that case 8 hrs to seti, the other application would have 16/12 hrs = 1.333 = 33% more computing time and seti would still do the same "science" ;)

But this is presumably too difficult to understand for readers like P.t.Rascal (now: Supertrampel) ;)

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Aloha, Uli

[...]
> oder merkt der eine oder andere so langsam was wirklich gerechnet wird
> ich sage nur keylooger,tastenanschlag überprüfung etc.
> gibts alles als zugabe, so ein richtiger seti plus pack

Nanu... Hast Du dafür irgendwelche Anhaltspunkte oder gar Beweise?
Du bist doch wohl kein typischer Heise-Troll, der sich verirrt hat, oder?!

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.:morpheus:.

> Hello everybody,
>
> Also is it unfair compared to mac and *ix systems which are still using the
> 4.02 client! I don't see any special cause why all windows user had to upgrade
> to 4.05! There is definitely no more science, no deeper analysis only longer
> processing times. An you only got credit for the longer processing times if
> you're lucky and will be validated against other windows machines. That's no
> fun at all :(

There's only one thing to do:

Run the fast linux client, and set up your queue so that your results come
in as third most of the time ;-)

Regards Hans

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> Nanu... Hast Du dafür irgendwelche Anhaltspunkt oder gar Beweise?
> Du bist doch wohl kein typischer Heise-Troll, der sich verirrt hat, oder?!
>

Das ist nur Guido, der BOINC-Troll ;)
Der ist auch in anderen BOINC-Boards schon unangenehm aufgefallen. Einfach ignorieren.
[english]
It's only Guido, the BOINC-Troll ;)
He already unpleasantly spammed other BOINC-boards. Simply ignore.
[/english]

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Aloha, Uli

> [...]
> > oder merkt der eine oder andere so langsam was wirklich gerechnet wird
> > ich sage nur keylooger,tastenanschlag überprüfung etc.
> > gibts alles als zugabe, so ein richtiger seti plus pack
>
> Nanu... Hast Du dafür irgendwelche Anhaltspunkte oder gar Beweise?
> Du bist doch wohl kein typischer Heise-Troll, der sich verirrt hat, oder?!
>
>

Reagier bloß nicht auf den Troll, der Spamt nur die Boards voll und merkt nicht wie er die Leute nervt.

> Das ist nur Guido, der BOINC-Troll ;)
> Der ist auch in anderen BOINC-Boards schon unangenehm aufgefallen. Einfach
> ignorieren.

Oha... Alles klar. ;-) Man man... Jahrelang schreibe ich nichts und dann gleich zwei Messages an einem Tag.

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.:morpheus:.

> > Nanu... Hast Du dafür irgendwelche Anhaltspunkt oder gar Beweise?
> > Du bist doch wohl kein typischer Heise-Troll, der sich verirrt hat,
> oder?!
> >
>
> Das ist nur Guido, der BOINC-Troll ;)
> Der ist auch in anderen BOINC-Boards schon unangenehm aufgefallen. Einfach
> ignorieren.
>
>

"That is only Guido, the BOINC Troll;) That was noticeable also in other BOINC boards already unpleasantly. Ignore simply."

w00t Babel Fish. But I wish you people would talk in English.

To the point of the thread: yeah, haven't heard anything on this in a while. Of course, they wouldn't believe us at first, so maybe they're just getting started on it.

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> To the point of the thread: yeah, haven't heard anything on this in a while.
> Of course, they wouldn't believe us at first, so maybe they're just getting
> started on it.
>

The babelfish translation is kind of good ;)
I step back into the thread and will translate my posts for all readers, sorry for not doing it in the first place.

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Aloha, Uli

> > The babelfish translation is kind of good ;)
> > I step back into the thread and will translate my posts for all readers,
> sorry
> > for not doing it in the first place.
>
> I see no need for anyone to do so. The project is international and not
> English in scope.
>
> If someone wishes to write in another language, let them - whether it be
> Latin, French, Spanish, Polish, German, etc. - all of which I've already seen.
> There is no need for anyone to know everything there is written except, maybe,
> the administrators and they don't seem to care or they'd do something about
> all the threats.
>
No, thank you. There are good reasons for posting in English - reasons that have nothing to do with "political correctness" or the international nature of participation in this project.

In fact, it is the very international nature of this project that urges posting in English.

The reasons are simple: understandability for the majority of readers, regardless of their native tongues.

Like it or not, English is currently the world's "lingua franca". Therefore, if you want your post to be most accessible to the most participants (regardless of national participation percentages), English would be the best choice.

Let me put it another way. It is more likely that the Latin, French, Spanish, Polish, German, etc., posters, to whom you referred, will be able to read a posting in English than a posting in Latin, French, Spanish, Polish, German, etc. So to post in other than English is to invite a lot of participants - including those whose native tongue is not English - to miss out on your post.

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--Bill