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Message 950260 - Posted: 27 Nov 2009, 20:10:11 UTC - in response to Message 950204.

Why does this project go down EVERY second or third weekend? Rather flakey and very unprofessional in my opinion.

I think this post was a bit rude frankly.
This project is being run a donation basis with donated equipment and a small staff. I think they are doing a stellar job with what they have to work with. And I thank them for their devotion as well.
This is not a business, this is an academic research project.


Well, a sloppy (i.e., UNbusinesslike) attitude can be a problem - just ask the boys at UEA CRU.

But it's not a business.

It's a research project.

Besides, yet again, we're measuring by the wrong criteria.

Web sites that make money have to be up, because they are there for people to view.

What BOINC does (in theory) does not involve people. It involves machines in the field getting and returning work.

I don't see the slightest reason to get upset when one machine cannot instantly communicate with another. No reason at all.

... and I think the best solution is to simply take away the BOINC client GUI entirely -- or simplify it to the point that we can't see work in progress, only completed work after it is reported.

It'd sure stop all of this immature "SETI@Home is dying" whining that seems so rampant.
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Message 950261 - Posted: 27 Nov 2009, 20:11:06 UTC - in response to Message 950259.

I've been able to upload but not download as yet. Just 12 hours left on main machine at the minute. Maybe there are so many posts to the forums it's preventing the science traffic from getting through :D!

Forums uses the campus connection to the net.

BOINC client to BOINC server traffic goes across a different network.
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Message 950276 - Posted: 27 Nov 2009, 21:08:54 UTC

Glad to see things are working again: now you've really got something to Give Thanks for this weekend; chill guys, and give that turkey a good roasting.

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Message 950290 - Posted: 27 Nov 2009, 21:50:19 UTC - in response to Message 950190.

Sadly, LHC@Home appears to have abandoned BOINC. I guess the physicists are too busy tweeting now.
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Message 950293 - Posted: 27 Nov 2009, 21:55:35 UTC - in response to Message 950260.

Here, here. I've been crunching number for SETI@Home for a long time and it always amazes me that a project that is being run on a shoestring by some very dedicated people has as good an uptime as it does.

The people working SET@Home deserve our kudos and NOT a bunch of whining.
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Message 950304 - Posted: 27 Nov 2009, 23:31:18 UTC - in response to Message 950293.

Sorry guys i gota whinge again . I can download seti units however it seems to be sending the units twice as ever second unit downloaded fails i have heaps of units so i am getting them ok but it's weird how every second unit says fail not a big problem at this end as i am getting units but i thought you might need to know about this weird thing that is happening incase it causes you guys problems at your end . It just says download fail check out my results page to see them not the 1's i have canceld (cuda couldn't handel them and i haven't got much paitents to wait till it finishes the unit to use my computer so dump them only about 10% i'm guessing tend to stop my machine )
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Message 950321 - Posted: 28 Nov 2009, 0:27:13 UTC - in response to Message 950290.

Sadly, LHC@Home appears to have abandoned BOINC. I guess the physicists are too busy tweeting now.

LHC was used to adjust the beam magnets before startup. They have started up. Project did its thing and now it is done. Unless they run into a problem with the beam, there aren't likely to ever be any more work units for BOINC.


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Message 950328 - Posted: 28 Nov 2009, 1:03:49 UTC
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Uploading and reporting seems no problem. Downloading however...
(same for beta)

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Message 950338 - Posted: 28 Nov 2009, 2:00:41 UTC

After you GOOD guys fixing the problem one of my pc's is ok (AMD Sempron), The other (P4 3.2GHz) constantly said downloading. I rebooted P4 pc and, lo and behold, all is fine - processing units again

perhaps a lesson to be learnt - computers need to sleep too (or just a re-boot) lol
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Message 950441 - Posted: 28 Nov 2009, 9:44:40 UTC
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Everything well?
I don't think so!
Have a small look in the NC subforum -> panic thread.

After every ~ 30 DLs only DL errors. Maybe - with good luck ~ 30..
Need to reboot the PC and get again ~ 30 DLs.

There is something wrong in Berkeley.
A jumping DL IP ..

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Message 950480 - Posted: 28 Nov 2009, 13:28:34 UTC

Looks like some of the folksw around here are in serious need of some maturity...and patience.

If you're in this for ego-stroking, then your in it for the wrong reason.

Science isn't about ego, it about learning and discovering. It's fraught with problems and obstacles and failure is more common that success.

I've never see so many whiney little children. Relax and take a breather. If you are unhappy with these occassional outages, then set your program up so that you have a weeks worth of data sets always in reserve.

I wouldn't normally recommend that as it leaves the project with the potential to lose more data sets as individual computers encounter failures and interruptions, but if you feel you need to, do so.

Otherwise, QUIT WHINING! Act like an adult for a change. Judging from some of the posts here, it'll be the first time in your lives you ever have.

The guys are working as hard as they can to make this whole thing run smoothly. If they need a break every now and then, so be it.

Personally, I hope everyone enjoys a nice holiday...even those of you who don't reside in the good ol' USA.

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Message 950482 - Posted: 28 Nov 2009, 13:50:11 UTC - in response to Message 950480.


Otherwise, QUIT WHINING! Act like an adult for a change. Judging from some of the posts here, it'll be the first time in your lives you ever have.

Will


Right on! I wish I'd said that. I probably will say that, the next time somebody whines on these forums.
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Message 950499 - Posted: 28 Nov 2009, 15:08:35 UTC
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Hey, everybody that's having problems downloading: try shutting down (gracefully, of course...) your BOINC client, and re-starting it. This worked for me on two machines... (the third didn't need it...)

As far as LHC goes, I understand that once the beam is back online, they're going to be using BOINC to analyze (at least some of...) the resulting data.
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Message 950502 - Posted: 28 Nov 2009, 15:24:54 UTC - in response to Message 950482.
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Otherwise, QUIT WHINING! Act like an adult for a change. Judging from some of the posts here, it'll be the first time in your lives you ever have.

Will


Right on! I wish I'd said that. I probably will say that, the next time somebody whines on these forums.


I second the opinion.....

Once again we are donating cycles for science to use as they need/see fit. Science is not providing a free gaming platform.
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Message 950507 - Posted: 28 Nov 2009, 16:01:26 UTC

I third that opinion.

These guys are doing a great job and probably deserve more holidays than the rest of us.

I know how frustrating computer problems are, And how tiring it can be...

Enjoy your holidays, lads!
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Message 950511 - Posted: 28 Nov 2009, 16:09:27 UTC

A developer on the LHC forum, bigmac, has written that CERN will not support LHC@home. So I don't think LHC@home shall receive any data from the starting experiments.Too bad.
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Message 950519 - Posted: 28 Nov 2009, 16:47:39 UTC - in response to Message 949965.
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Have we begun the downward slope of AI?

Now servers want holidays off? What next, vacations?

To those that this means something, happy Thanks-Giving.




I am now tellling the server what it can do with half a life-time's supply of chocolate!

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Message 950526 - Posted: 28 Nov 2009, 17:21:16 UTC

Geez some of you guys need to relax. So the project has server issues, Big deal. Unless you guys are trading credits for cash who cares if seti has glitches. Im glad the guys at seti finally said screw it and took a break.
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Message 950538 - Posted: 28 Nov 2009, 18:02:19 UTC - in response to Message 950526.
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So the project has server issues, Big deal.

Exactly. If someone needs something to do while the servers are down, I'd recommend reading some of the documentation here, especially this one.

From BOINC: A System for Public-Resource Computing and Storage:

Reduce the barriers of entry to public-resource computing. BOINC allows a research scientist with moderate computer skills to create and operate a large public-resource computing project with about a week of initial work and an hour per week of maintenance. The server for a BOINCbased project can consist of a single machine configured with common open-source software (Linux, Apache, PHP, MySQL, Python).


A better understanding of how things are supposed to work is very helpful when things are not working perfectly.
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Message 950577 - Posted: 28 Nov 2009, 19:59:13 UTC - in response to Message 949933.

still unable to communicate with you folks. ihave 2 cmputers.

rj furnari; yonkers,ny
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