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Message 949160 - Posted: 23 Nov 2009, 0:58:53 UTC

Hello,

Can someboody tell me how can i get/download the already uploaded and save them in a folder for log purpose ?
I´d like to see my results in Seti-Mapview

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Message 949219 - Posted: 23 Nov 2009, 8:31:25 UTC - in response to Message 949160.

No chance. You'll have to copy them before they are uploaded. To achieve that, you could suspend network activity via Activity menu in BOINC manager's advanced view and only resume it for short periods when you have copied all tasks.

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Message 949221 - Posted: 23 Nov 2009, 8:46:06 UTC - in response to Message 949219.

In first place i like to thank you for your answer.

Can you please also tell me wich files(extensions) in the Berkeley.Edu folder that i should copy ?

It is possible to see later these copied files in the Mapview ?

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Message 949224 - Posted: 23 Nov 2009, 8:59:55 UTC - in response to Message 949221.

Sorry, I'm no Mapview user, but you could do an Advanced search (top left corner of this page) of the forum for "mapview" or "logx" (without the quotes) over at least six months.

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Message 950085 - Posted: 27 Nov 2009, 5:28:14 UTC - in response to Message 949221.

In first place i like to thank you for your answer.

Can you please also tell me wich files(extensions) in the Berkeley.Edu folder that i should copy ?

It is possible to see later these copied files in the Mapview ?

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You don't need to do this manually - BoincLogX will do this automatically


For setting BoincLogX look my answer here:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=55127&nowrap=true#927634

You can find BoincLogX 1.52 & SetiMapView 6.54 here:
http://www.bjoernhenke.de/frame.htm?/boinclogx/index.en.htm


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Message 950157 - Posted: 27 Nov 2009, 13:11:18 UTC - in response to Message 950085.

Hello,

Thank you for your answer

In fact BoincLogX do it automatically.

But, i´m talking about the tasks that i uploaded with Boinc to SETI before BoinclogX installation.
After Upload the files aren´t anymore in my PC

Can you help me ?

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Message 950166 - Posted: 27 Nov 2009, 13:43:15 UTC - in response to Message 950157.

Still no chance.

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Message 950179 - Posted: 27 Nov 2009, 15:10:38 UTC - in response to Message 950166.

Hello Gundolf,


OK it seems impossible.
But how can we look for my founded best results, like Triplets and spikes ?
It looks that it is only possible to check our credits, but
in fact i´m not interesting in credits !
I just want to study the places and signals of my best results.
Only SETI know it ?
In that case should not SETI or BOINC advice us that we should install LogX before Boinc Manager ?

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Message 950285 - Posted: 27 Nov 2009, 21:42:00 UTC - in response to Message 950157.

Hello,

Thank you for your answer

In fact BoincLogX do it automatically.

But, i´m talking about the tasks that i uploaded with Boinc to SETI before BoinclogX installation.
After Upload the files aren´t anymore in my PC

Can you help me ?



AFAIK -
There is NO way to get them - the WUs and the result files are deleted both on your PC and on SETI servers -
only the found signals (and who found them) are put in the science database which is not accessible by the users.


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Message 950302 - Posted: 27 Nov 2009, 23:18:30 UTC - in response to Message 950285.

Hello,

We are talking about a cientific project with global world interest !
And the point isn´t just the fact that we are giving or not our contribution.

The data stored just should be public !

The behaviour of a Scientific institute, should be based on transparency and sense of duty to the world by sharing information.

That is really wrong !

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Message 950364 - Posted: 28 Nov 2009, 4:22:52 UTC - in response to Message 950302.

Hello,

We are talking about a cientific project with global world interest !
And the point isn´t just the fact that we are giving or not our contribution.

The data stored just should be public !

The behaviour of a Scientific institute, should be based on transparency and sense of duty to the world by sharing information.

That is really wrong !

The results are being made public as fast as NiTPiCKeR is able to get to them.
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Message 950399 - Posted: 28 Nov 2009, 6:08:56 UTC

There is no way in the world Seti can give everyone access to the master database. Just having the NiTPiCKeR software scanning that continuously updating database to make a list of possible interesting results that should be re-observed is tasking the Seti resources. Allowing the over 300 thousand currently active users to query it is just not something that is possible to do. Now, if you have a hundred million dollars to donate for the necessary hardware and manpower then maybe....
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Message 950720 - Posted: 29 Nov 2009, 4:36:24 UTC - in response to Message 950399.

There is no way in the world Seti can give everyone access to the master database. Just having the NiTPiCKeR software scanning that continuously updating database to make a list of possible interesting results that should be re-observed is tasking the Seti resources. Allowing the over 300 thousand currently active users to query it is just not something that is possible to do. Now, if you have a hundred million dollars to donate for the necessary hardware and manpower then maybe....



Is the science database "OPEN science" as the programs are "OPEN source"?

(Third party as Lunatics do great job in optimizing SETI apps sources.)

Is it possible that (backup copy of) the science database be given to third party (e.g. BOINCstats) once a week or month?

Maybe they will find the time and resources to make search engine for users to "explore" the found "signals"?

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Message 950743 - Posted: 29 Nov 2009, 8:12:59 UTC - in response to Message 950720.

How would you like to transport those several terabytes of data? ;-)

And think about the time needed for the copy process.

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Message 950748 - Posted: 29 Nov 2009, 8:42:22 UTC - in response to Message 950743.
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How would you like to transport those several terabytes of data? ;-)

And think about the time needed for the copy process.



Don't they make backups of the science database (and send them to another town/country)?

What if fire in the lab?
Or big earthquake in California?
Or US government decides to confiscate the data and send SWAT team?
Or hackers break-through?
Or thieves steal the HDDs?

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Message 951325 - Posted: 1 Dec 2009, 9:37:37 UTC - in response to Message 950399.

Hello,

If is a big ammount of data, there is one more reason for the data don´t be deleted from our PC.

Why BOINC manager instruction programm delete the data after the upload ?

Why we are not adviced to install Boinclogx first ?

If you have a good reason please explain to me, because i really don´t understand !

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Message 951326 - Posted: 1 Dec 2009, 9:43:37 UTC - in response to Message 950364.

Hello,


Is good to know it !

But i´m talking before NiTPiCKeR analysis....
Why Boinc manager delete the data from our PC ?
Just doesn´t make sense !

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Message 951368 - Posted: 1 Dec 2009, 13:43:23 UTC - in response to Message 951325.

BoincLogX is a third party program, not made or updated by Berkeley. It's your choice to install it, it doesn't need to be installed for BOINC, or any projects you're attached to, to run.

As to why BOINC deletes results after upload? To save space and clean up after itself. Perhaps that Seti doesn't have that big a files - 350KB to 8MB - but other projects can have extremely large files. CPDN comes to mind with result files that easily pass 500MB. Keep a couple of those on your drive and wonder where all the space went.

Remember that not everyone has terabytes of space to work with, there are still a lot of older computers out there with only 512MB RAM and little disk space. You really want to burden them with files to keep?
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Message 951538 - Posted: 2 Dec 2009, 1:40:08 UTC - in response to Message 951368.

BoincLogX is a third party program, not made or updated by Berkeley. It's your choice to install it, it doesn't need to be installed for BOINC, or any projects you're attached to, to run.

As to why BOINC deletes results after upload? To save space and clean up after itself. Perhaps that Seti doesn't have that big a files - 350KB to 8MB - but other projects can have extremely large files. CPDN comes to mind with result files that easily pass 500MB. Keep a couple of those on your drive and wonder where all the space went.

Remember that not everyone has terabytes of space to work with, there are still a lot of older computers out there with only 512MB RAM and little disk space. You really want to burden them with files to keep?

350Kb does not sound like much until you multiply by 500,000,000 or so results completed. (we are talking about 100s of petabytes here).
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Message 951583 - Posted: 2 Dec 2009, 5:35:25 UTC - in response to Message 951538.


350Kb does not sound like much until you multiply by 500,000,000 or so results completed. (we are talking about 100s of petabytes here).


Do you happen to know the size of the science database?


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