OOOOPS....

My bad! Must have been inadequate coffee levels before, and I was seeing things which weren't really there! :-O

So yes, the project displayed task data is now around 24 hours behind more or less.

Alinator

Ok, so if I'm reading and understanding correctly the message is correct, the sever has not new WU's to send out.

Do we know how long they are going to be down? Like some here I have ran SETI for years non stop. Somewhere in my twisted logic I just feel it's wrong when SETI is sitting idle.

Fortunately my main machine has 3 Astropulse units going and they still another day or two.

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Well, since it is Labor Day Weekend here in the States, I wouldn't expect to see everything straightened out until next week some time.

It could even later in the week, since I doubt anyone is going to be too motivated to come in and do battle with the backend over the last long week of the summer. ;-)

Aliantor

I, too, choose to only run one project, and if my CPUs are idle, so what? As long as it's not something on my end causing it, I'm giving 100% of my capability to the project. If the project does not have anything to give me, that's not a problem.

Remember.. SETI has always said they will not guarantee 365/24/7 availability, and there is always the possibility of running out of work.

I think running out of work is almost considered a good thing though. It allows WU storage to clean itself up a bit, and if none of the splitters have tapes to work on, the splitters have the perfect opportunity to have any minor code tweaks written to them, and so on.

Lack of work allows some back-end processes to catch up or be fixed without causing major headaches.

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Linux laptop:
record uptime: 1511d 20h 19m (ended due to the power brick giving-up)

You think a weekend of no work is bad? How about a forever (i might be overreacting)

A report by the division of Astronomical Sciences of the National Science Foundation, made public on 2006-11-03, recommended substantially decreased astronomy funding for Arecibo Observatory, ramping down from USD 10.5M in 2007 to USD 4M in 2011. If other sources of funding cannot be obtained, this would mean the closure of the observatory.

:(

But it looks like we are having a hand in keeping it up...

A report by the division of Astronomical Sciences of the National Science Foundation, made public on 2006-11-03, recommended substantially decreased astronomy funding for Arecibo Observatory, ramping down from USD 10.5M in 2007 to USD 4M in 2011.[21][22] If other sources of funding cannot be obtained, this would mean the closure of the observatory.

So.... if Arecibo goes bye-bye, how the heck does SETI stay alive?

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30+ Computers heading our way! Currently at the "Zomg we need to talk to our tech expert at the co-op about this first!!!" stage. 16 Lab machines and 14+ Staff machines each with 2.2Ghz CPUs and 256MB ram. Think they balance? The RAM certainly is bad

So.... if Arecibo goes bye-bye, how the heck does SETI stay alive?

Well, lets get some FED bailout money to finish up the Allen array ;-) But you still need on-going funding.

I've been wondering what it trully costs to deliver one WU to a client, Getting good budget numbers is hard, so pardon the guesswork (and this totally ignores the wonderful donations of hardware, buildings, people). S@H's budget looks to be about $600K, and the fair bill-out sponge cost of using Arecibo (we're not the only consumer) is probaly twice that.... and my best guess is the Arecibo drives are able to be chunked into about 150,000,000 WUs per year. That's .012, or a little over a penny a WU.

Irony is the electricity for the client to process exceeds that, but I digress. If you divide your lifetime credits by about 4000, that seems a reasonable guess and what it cost 'The Project' to send you all those WUs :D

Hmmm, time for me to ante up and get one of those green stars next to my name too.

We have all come up with various ways to figure out how much/when to give. Some have suggested that you sponsor yourself or others by donating x for every y z-units, others have suggested that you give a flat amount every x weeks, the list goes on and on.

Find a system that works for you, if you even need a system at all. I have given 11 bucks, and I plan to do so again when I... figure out a way to make money.

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30+ Computers heading our way! Currently at the "Zomg we need to talk to our tech expert at the co-op about this first!!!" stage. 16 Lab machines and 14+ Staff machines each with 2.2Ghz CPUs and 256MB ram. Think they balance? The RAM certainly is bad

So.... if Arecibo goes bye-bye, how the heck does SETI stay alive?

Well, lets get some FED bailout money to finish up the Allen array ;-) But you still need on-going funding.

There is a Federal Law, passed by the U.S. Congress, that prohibits the use of U.S. Federal Tax Dollars to search for SETI.

... and there is no guarantee that we'll ever see work from the Allen array. It belongs to a completely separate organization.

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A law that specifically prevents money to go to SETI...


Link please.

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30+ Computers heading our way! Currently at the "Zomg we need to talk to our tech expert at the co-op about this first!!!" stage. 16 Lab machines and 14+ Staff machines each with 2.2Ghz CPUs and 256MB ram. Think they balance? The RAM certainly is bad

A law that specifically prevents money to go to SETI...

Link please.

A law that specifically prevents FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS from going to SETI.

As a SETI@Home supporter, I of course think that the work is worthwhile, but I understand that other tax payers might not want their tax dollars to go to something that does not interest them.

Google "William Proxmire SETI" and see what you get. That should get you close enough....

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Yep, and Richard Bryan (Senator from Nevada) was another major player in turning SETI into a political 4 letter word.

Sheesh, seems hard to believe that was almost 20 years ago now.

Alinator

Yep, and Richard Bryan (Senator from Nevada) was another major player in turning SETI into a political 4 letter word.

Sheesh, seems hard to believe that was almost 20 years ago now.

Alinator

More Richard Bryan, but either way, there is some good reading out there.

Finding it is left as an exercise for the student.

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I know there is no work and unlikely to be any until Wednesday UK time, however I need to ask a question. Yesterday I got the no new work every so often, however I have only had it once this morning when I switched on my machine. Is it now only requesting work every 24 hrs as there is no message about scheduler request on my project page in BOINC manager. Thanking you in advance for answering this question.

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What does the status column on the Projects tab tell you? Mine says "Communication deferred..."

Gruß,
Gundolf

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Computer sind nicht alles im Leben. (Kleiner Scherz)

SETI@home classic workunits 3,758
SETI@home classic CPU time 66,520 hours

nothing it is blank, I only get the communication deferred if I update it etc

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I know there is no work and unlikely to be any until Wednesday UK time, however I need to ask a question. Yesterday I got the no new work every so often, however I have only had it once this morning when I switched on my machine. Is it now only requesting work every 24 hrs as there is no message about scheduler request on my project page in BOINC manager. Thanking you in advance for answering this question.

For v6.6.xx and later clients, there's multiple backoffs. You have the normal project-backoffs, these shows-up in messages-tab, and in Status-column on Project-tab.

But, you've also got separate CPU-backoffs and GPU-backoffs, these only shows-up if you select a project, and hit "Properties". Each time you're asking for work, the request does reach the server, but you don't get any work, the "(type) work fetch deferall interwall" is doubled, starting at 1 minute, and max 24 hours. The actual size of the deferral seems to be random backoff between zero seconds and how large "deferall interwall" is, and how much left of this deferral is shown in "(type) work fetch deferred for".

So, until "deferred for" reaches zero, you won't ask for this type of work again (CPU or GPU).

Note, the timers is reset each time a task finishes, or user hits "update". This in case a project uses <max_wus_in_progress>.

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Working through 2 APs here on main machine - just noticed another AP downloaded this morning: 95 hours :s!!!... If no work till Wed I've got a feeling my offline machines will rn out before then...

Results out in the field 2,548,398
If we are out of work I think it's better to resend to us this results.
So we have to crunch and this pending can be granted.

Bye,
Francesco

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Results out in the field 2,548,398
If we are out of work I think it's better to resend to us this results.
So we have to crunch and this pending can be granted.

Bye,
Francesco

Bad idea since this is not a race from a science POV, and it means that every host running a task above the minimum quorum when it forms is wasting its time time running useless tasks so others can get useless credits sooner or maintain a RAC value running busy work like Classic did.

Or worse, a host get's their originally assigned IR task 221'ed, just to satiate some other big gun battleship's empty cache.

The simple truth is that if the project doesn't have any new work to send, then that's just the way it is. Time to find a backup project or save a buck or two and shutdown until new work is available.

That's just my opinion though. ;-)

Alinator

The simple truth is that if the project doesn't have any new work to send, then that's just the way it is. Time to find a backup project or save a buck or two and shutdown until new work is available.

Seconded.

F.

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