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Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8962 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
Also the Tech News has had multiple posts from the Admins (specifically Matt L) discussing the problems that are occuring. I'd like to suggest you read some of these posts over the past week or so. There's a lot of good information in there-specifically regarding my discussion with Matt about the bandwith issues. On Tuesdays when the Weekly Outage occurs, there is no specific timeframe that is guaranteed for when all the servers come back up. |
TCP JESUS Send message Joined: 19 Jan 03 Posts: 205 Credit: 1,248,845 RAC: 0 |
The Upload server was taken down prior to Tuesday maintenance.....so I would have expected an update in the 'Technical News' section to accompany it, that is all. Unfortunately, this basically means that I will not be able to participate this entire week because once I FINALLY get the 400+ WU's uploaded from the machine I am sitting at, it will be time for another outage........and the fun starts again. This is part of the frustration I feel, as well as others. I use Seti@Home as a benchmark and stability testing tool. I am currently considering ABORTING all 400+ outstanding uploads (and growing every minute) that I have so that I can download more new work and continue to 'test' my machine's stability. Is THAT another alternative ? I am TCP JESUS...The Carpenter Phenom Jesus....and HAMMERING is what I do best! formerly known as...MC Hammer. |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8962 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
The Upload server was taken down prior to Tuesday maintenance.....so I would have expected an update in the 'Technical News' section to accompany it, that is all. Using Seti as a benchmark may not be an entirely accurate measurement tool at this time with the bandwith and other issues we're experiencing. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
I have noticed that BOINC often "forgets" to upload results and I have to do a manual Update to get them to send in. I'll see logs of "finished wu, uploading wu, dowloading wu" and such with no errors. Just will have 6-10 results "Ready for upload" in my tasks. I have read around to see if this is a "normal" thnk to occur, but it happens on all of my hosts. Yes, this is perfectly normal. The uploads happen in two stages: when the crunching is finished, it is reported immediately to the project server, but the result is kept on the user's hard drive so that the uploads can be batched together, easing the server's resources (as opposed to some fast machines that finish workunits within 30 minutes, pounding the servers ever half hour with uploads and reports). Once there has been a backlog of results, typically on the next server request for more work, the backlog gets uploaded as well. Hitting the Update button forces the server communication and can make things worse for bandwidth-starved, server-overloaded projects like SETI. I guarantee that if you leave those tasks alone, they will be reported within 24 hours of completion on average. **Not saying any of this to be mean or to scold anyone, just trying to be helpful.** |
Jack Zhang Send message Joined: 2 Jul 06 Posts: 206 Credit: 6,142,449 RAC: 0 |
The Upload server was taken down prior to Tuesday maintenance.....so I would have expected an update in the 'Technical News' section to accompany it, that is all. Prime95 is another really good stability testing software. It also stresses the system more so that you can be sure you have safe overclocks for example. What if Fiction was Fact and Fact was Fiction and vice versa? |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
This is part of the frustration I feel, as well as others. We're trying to work on the focus of that frustration, and divert it elsewhere. I use Seti@Home as a benchmark and stability testing tool. Nothing wrong with that, but do know that this is not its intended purpose. I am currently considering ABORTING all 400+ outstanding uploads (and growing every minute) that I have so that I can download more new work and continue to 'test' my machine's stability. Is THAT another alternative ? No one can stop you. I'd hate to think that any user is that selfish, but we've had others do just-as-selfish acts and not care about it. We can't dictate to you what your priorities should be, but it is frowned upon (not that it seems like you care about that). But as someone whom has complained about wasting processing power, such an act would most certainly deem all our efforts on those tasks moot. I can't really imagine you'd want to do that. I think once cooler heads prevail, you'll be glad you didn't - at least I hope you would be. Remember also that we are all part of this community together. There's no need to focus your frustration on people who are trying to help you - even if it isn't exactly what you want to hear. :) |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
The Upload server was taken down prior to Tuesday maintenance.....so I would have expected an update in the 'Technical News' section to accompany it, that is all. Agreed, and they even have a "stress testing" option built right into the client so that you don't trash any of their workunits. |
HAL9000 Send message Joined: 11 Sep 99 Posts: 6534 Credit: 196,805,888 RAC: 57 |
I have noticed that BOINC often "forgets" to upload results and I have to do a manual Update to get them to send in. I'll see logs of "finished wu, uploading wu, dowloading wu" and such with no errors. Just will have 6-10 results "Ready for upload" in my tasks. I have read around to see if this is a "normal" thnk to occur, but it happens on all of my hosts. Ah okies. I'll have to watch then. Normally: I would come into work in the morning. See all the machines with loads of "Ready to report" tasks. Scratch my head. Shrug. Click upload. Thought that perhaps there was some sort of minor bug. I'll just let them be and see once the servers are back to what they like to call "Normal" :) SETI@home classic workunits: 93,865 CPU time: 863,447 hours Join the [url=http://tinyurl.com/8y46zvu]BP6/VP6 User Group[ |
HAL Send message Joined: 28 Mar 03 Posts: 704 Credit: 870,617 RAC: 0 |
The last time we had upload problems I had one machine that waited almost 3 days to upload. 24 hours isn't even close! |
Sutaru Tsureku Send message Joined: 6 Apr 07 Posts: 7105 Credit: 147,663,825 RAC: 5 |
IIRC, the UL server is now ~ 24 hours offline. A presumption of Pappa.. Technical News : 'Working as Expected (Jul 13 2009) - Message 917697' |
TCP JESUS Send message Joined: 19 Jan 03 Posts: 205 Credit: 1,248,845 RAC: 0 |
So, is it fair to assume that since the 'work day' is officially over on the West Coast...and without any updates, that we are going to be left in the dark another night without uploads....and not knowing what is actually going on ? I am TCP JESUS...The Carpenter Phenom Jesus....and HAMMERING is what I do best! formerly known as...MC Hammer. |
Siddarth P Kumar Send message Joined: 10 Oct 04 Posts: 2 Credit: 13,126 RAC: 0 |
Unable to upload from past 30 hours or so and unable to download work from past 12 hours.. is it an issue with my computer or with SETI servers? Also when i try downloading work from my office the download always fail. Can you help me with this.. |
| ganja | Send message Joined: 9 Aug 08 Posts: 26 Credit: 2,463,915 RAC: 0 |
I understand having to go down for work for a few hrs on Tuesday afternoons hell this has been going on for about a week now. I havent uploaded a wu since like 4:30 am est what gives here I think they need a back up plan or server. I currently have about 35 wu tring to upload now. ganga |
Daniel S. Gandolfo Send message Joined: 17 Nov 02 Posts: 56 Credit: 2,430,947 RAC: 0 |
I dont kbow if I've posted in the correct topic but here goes. Over the past few months or so I have noticed that SETI computers are becoming increasingly taxed and often crash. Could anyone tell me what the problem at the moment is. Ie I cannot upload any of my completed WUs to SETI and they are not issueing any new ones. This has been intermittent for the last few weeks or so and is it likely to be fixed soon? Nevica |
slak Send message Joined: 1 Jun 99 Posts: 5 Credit: 2,498,787 RAC: 0 |
I dont kbow if I've posted in the correct topic but here goes. Over the past few months or so I have noticed that SETI computers are becoming increasingly taxed and often crash. This thread should help explain what some of the issues are. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=54631&nowrap=true#917472 |
1mp0£173 Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 8423 Credit: 356,897 RAC: 0 |
I dont kbow if I've posted in the correct topic but here goes. Over the past few months or so I have noticed that SETI computers are becoming increasingly taxed and often crash. I don't think they've crashed, but there definitely are times when there is so much inbound traffic that you'd have a tough time telling if they were up or down. Historically, SETI@Home has had some long stretches of smooth running, and some stretches of tough times. This is one of the rough times. Odds are pretty good that we can all ride it out. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
The last time we had upload problems I had one machine that waited almost 3 days to upload. 24 hours isn't even close! Other factors can have an effect on things, such as invalid cached DNS in the local resolver, BOINC's random back-off feature and other things. When things are working "normally", all tasks are reported within 24 hours. |
Kai Send message Joined: 30 Jun 09 Posts: 619 Credit: 15,732 RAC: 0 |
Unable to upload from past 30 hours or so and unable to download work from past 12 hours.. is it an issue with my computer or with SETI servers? The Upload server is currently offline. It should be back up soon!! Please be patient this is affecting everyone but work will start to go through again soon. This is being discussed in many, many, many threads... Unfortunately we crunchers can't do anything ourselves, we just have to stick with it and see what happens over the next week or so. Click Here For The SETI@home Server Status Page "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein Vextor Homepage | Vextor Blog |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
If you've been reading any of the threads around here for the past week, it explains the problems SETI's been having, and much discussion has been had over what the best "back up" plan to use, but ultimately it is the Admin's decision as to what works best for them and how much money they have to enact said plan. |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8962 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
So, is it fair to assume that since the 'work day' is officially over on the West Coast...and without any updates, that we are going to be left in the dark another night without uploads....and not knowing what is actually going on ? Yes, the work day usually ends at 5pm PST but the Admins will work on their own time when family needs aren't more pressing-however I am of the firm belief that family time is VERY important. Regarding Tech News, Matt does this as a favor to the Seti community (for which I am appreciative), however if there's a decision to be made between taking the time to post and fixing a server, I'd rather him delay a post to us and work on the server. Again the issue here is a severe lack of resources in the Berkeley Seti office. With more money, they could hire another staff person which would free up more resources to give you the updates you (and all of us) want. |
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