Comment Control (Jun 03 2009)

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Matt Lebofsky Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project scientist Send message Joined: 1 Mar 99 Posts: 1376 Credit: 74,079 RAC: 0	Message 903336 - Posted: 3 Jun 2009, 22:00:49 UTC
	Today started messing with one of the new Intel servers. We're still waiting on drives to ship before doing much with it, but at least it boots off of DVD. There are some other kinks to work out as well. I think we're going to call it "mork." We hope to at least replace sidious with this machine, and if we get the other servers working, than replace others. In general we always wish to reduce the hardware we need to maintain - i.e. have less machines doing more stuff. However, we'd like to do so without increasing our single points of failure (redundancy is nice). And given we never buy anything we have to generally stick to a "work with what you got" philosophy. A small note about the front page "weekly outage" status - that's a line at the top of our project_news data file which is commented out. Every Tuesday morning I uncomment it (if I remember to) so people can see it, and hopefully later that day (if I remember to) I comment it back into oblivion. Sometimes I forget, or recovery is slow enough that I keep that warning there so people can get some idea why they're having trouble connecting. In any case, it's human controlled and therefore prone to error. - Matt ____________ -- BOINC/SETI@home network/web/science/development person -- "Any idiot can have a good idea. What is hard is to do it." - Jeanne-Claude
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PhonAcq Send message Joined: 14 Apr 01 Posts: 1620 Credit: 20,959,369 RAC: 2,503	Message 903349 - Posted: 3 Jun 2009, 22:44:45 UTC - in response to Message 903336.
	thanks, Matt, that answers my question on the other thread; moving to fewer/better/but_redundant sounds good.
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Gundolf Jahn Send message Joined: 19 Sep 00 Posts: 3100 Credit: 344,156 RAC: 98	Message 903355 - Posted: 3 Jun 2009, 22:55:26 UTC - in response to Message 903336.
	...I think we're going to call it "mork"... That Mork from Ork? (I think the original title was "Mork and Mindy" :-)
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John McLeod VII Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 15 Jul 99 Posts: 22343 Credit: 440,001 RAC: 88	Message 903357 - Posted: 3 Jun 2009, 23:02:30 UTC - in response to Message 903355.
	...I think we're going to call it "mork"... That Mork from Ork? (I think the original title was "Mork and Mindy" :-) I was going to suggest that the obvious next name is Mindy. ____________ BOINC WIKI
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Pooh Bear 27 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 14 Jul 03 Posts: 3217 Credit: 1,000,061 RAC: 0	Message 903375 - Posted: 3 Jun 2009, 23:44:58 UTC - in response to Message 903355.
	...I think we're going to call it "mork"... That Mork from Ork? (I think the original title was "Mork and Mindy" :-) Mork was on Happy Days ways before Mork & Mindy was created. He also showed up on Lavern & Shirley. Yes, it was Robin Williams each time. ____________
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1mp0£173 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 8423 Credit: 356,897 RAC: 0	Message 903382 - Posted: 3 Jun 2009, 23:59:19 UTC - in response to Message 903357.
	...I think we're going to call it "mork"... That Mork from Ork? (I think the original title was "Mork and Mindy" :-) I was going to suggest that the obvious next name is Mindy. I was thinking "Orson." ____________
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Labbie Send message Joined: 19 Jun 06 Posts: 4083 Credit: 5,930,102 RAC: 0	Message 903384 - Posted: 4 Jun 2009, 0:04:56 UTC - in response to Message 903382.
	...I think we're going to call it "mork"... That Mork from Ork? (I think the original title was "Mork and Mindy" :-) I was going to suggest that the obvious next name is Mindy. I was thinking "Orson." Me too. ____________ Calm Chaos Forum...Join Calm Chaos Now
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Aurora Borealis Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 14 Jan 01 Posts: 2975 Credit: 4,288,675 RAC: 1,658	Message 903415 - Posted: 4 Jun 2009, 1:25:24 UTC Last modified: 4 Jun 2009, 1:26:05 UTC
	Matt, would it not be better to make the maintenance notice permanent. It may even be a good idea to expand it a bit to warn of communication problems after the servers are back on. It could serve as an advisory to new users of what to expect every week and might reduce the number of posts inquiring why they have problem contacting the project. ____________ Questions? Answers are in the "Unofficial" BOINC Wiki. Boinc V7.0.27 Win7 i5 3.33G 4GB, GTX470
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Zydor Send message Joined: 4 Oct 03 Posts: 172 Credit: 491,111 RAC: 1	Message 903463 - Posted: 4 Jun 2009, 3:22:17 UTC - in response to Message 903415.
	Matt, would it not be better to make the maintenance notice permanent. It may even be a good idea to expand it a bit to warn of communication problems after the servers are back on. It could serve as an advisory to new users of what to expect every week and might reduce the number of posts inquiring why they have problem contacting the project. Thats a good thought - I'll second that :) Regards Zy ____________
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Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 5281 Credit: 41,781,648 RAC: 32,516	Message 903481 - Posted: 4 Jun 2009, 4:15:44 UTC - in response to Message 903415.
	Matt, would it not be better to make the maintenance notice permanent. Then you'll have people that are confused as the outage occurs on Wednesday for many of us, not Tuesday as advertised. ____________ Grant Darwin NT.
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Cosmic_Ocean Send message Joined: 23 Dec 00 Posts: 2086 Credit: 6,836,649 RAC: 4,091	Message 903492 - Posted: 4 Jun 2009, 5:13:43 UTC - in response to Message 903481.
	Matt, would it not be better to make the maintenance notice permanent. Then you'll have people that are confused as the outage occurs on Wednesday for many of us, not Tuesday as advertised. But the message does say Tuesday PST/PDT. ____________ Linux laptop uptime: 1484d 22h 42m Ended due to UPS failure, found 14 hours after the fact
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Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 5281 Credit: 41,781,648 RAC: 32,516	Message 903505 - Posted: 4 Jun 2009, 6:55:33 UTC - in response to Message 903492.
	Matt, would it not be better to make the maintenance notice permanent. Then you'll have people that are confused as the outage occurs on Wednesday for many of us, not Tuesday as advertised. But the message does say Tuesday PST/PDT. But the outage occurs on Wednesday CST, EST & WST. ____________ Grant Darwin NT.
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Ingleside Volunteer developer Send message Joined: 4 Feb 03 Posts: 1542 Credit: 3,363,496 RAC: 1,422	Message 903524 - Posted: 4 Jun 2009, 8:31:04 UTC - in response to Message 903505.
	But the message does say Tuesday PST/PDT. But the outage occurs on Wednesday CST, EST & WST. It still says Tuesday PST/PDT, and the outage does happen on Tuesday PST/PDT... They can just link to this page as they've atleast ocassionally done before... Hmm, CST = -6, EST = -5, WST = ??? None seems to be in line with having anything to do with time-zones in Australia... ____________ "I make so many mistakes. But then just think of all the mistakes I don't make, although I might."
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Ageless Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 11759 Credit: 2,073,360 RAC: 2,406	Message 903530 - Posted: 4 Jun 2009, 9:13:21 UTC - in response to Message 903524.
	They can just link to this page as they've atleast ocassionally done before... Seeing how it doesn't even show e.g. CEST (Central European Summer Time), it may be better to link to something like Time&Date Worldclock. Of course, then you need to know where approximately you are according to those cities and that Berkeley lies in San Francisco to compare against. ;) ____________ Jord - BOINC FAQ Service - BOINC User Wiki Real is just a matter of perception.
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Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 5281 Credit: 41,781,648 RAC: 32,516	Message 903533 - Posted: 4 Jun 2009, 9:30:13 UTC - in response to Message 903524.
	Hmm, CST = -6, EST = -5, WST = ??? None seems to be in line with having anything to do with time-zones in Australia... CST Central Standard Time = UTC +09:30. EST, WST/ Eastern, Western. ____________ Grant Darwin NT.
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Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 5281 Credit: 41,781,648 RAC: 32,516	Message 903534 - Posted: 4 Jun 2009, 9:31:31 UTC - in response to Message 903530.
	They can just link to this page as they've atleast ocassionally done before... Seeing how it doesn't even show e.g. CEST (Central European Summer Time), it may be better to link to something like Time&Date Worldclock. Of course, then you need to know where approximately you are according to those cities and that Berkeley lies in San Francisco to compare against. ;) Yep. Which is why i reckon what's done now is as good a method of informing people as any. ____________ Grant Darwin NT.
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Zydor Send message Joined: 4 Oct 03 Posts: 172 Credit: 491,111 RAC: 1	Message 903590 - Posted: 4 Jun 2009, 14:12:36 UTC - in response to Message 903534.
	Lets not over complicate the issue searching for perfection, no matter what is done there will always be some who get it wrong - nature of life. Most people on the internet are comfortable with Time Zones, its not any real issue. Just adopt the standard protocol and express it as GMT or UTC. Most know their time zone relative to GMT/UTC, and if they dont they soon get it, its not rocket science. One in a hundred will never get it no matter what system is adopted, its life, meanwhile the other 99 get information better and quicker than before, which can only be a good thing. Regards Zy ____________
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1mp0£173 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 8423 Credit: 356,897 RAC: 0	Message 903629 - Posted: 4 Jun 2009, 16:05:15 UTC - in response to Message 903533.
	Hmm, CST = -6, EST = -5, WST = ??? None seems to be in line with having anything to do with time-zones in Australia... CST Central Standard Time = UTC +09:30. EST, WST/ Eastern, Western. The U.S. also has "Central Standard Time" with the same abbreviation. It's GMT -0600. ____________
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AlphaLaser Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 22 Aug 06 Posts: 262 Credit: 45,707 RAC: 0	Message 903829 - Posted: 5 Jun 2009, 2:19:54 UTC
	It would also be possible to generate a local timezone date using JavaScript...and of course use some standard like GMT time as a fallback when JavaScript is not available. ____________
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KWSN THE Holy Hand Grenade! Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 20 Dec 05 Posts: 1613 Credit: 4,508,762 RAC: 3,175	Message 904048 - Posted: 5 Jun 2009, 18:45:35 UTC - in response to Message 903533.
	Hmm, CST = -6, EST = -5, WST = ??? None seems to be in line with having anything to do with time-zones in Australia... CST Central Standard Time = UTC +09:30. EST, WST/ Eastern, Western. EST & CST generally, particularly if the writer is American, refer to North American Time Zones... and are UTC -4 & -5, respectively. I believe that the Aussie Time zones are usually abbreviated "CAST", "EAST" and "WAST" to prevent this confusion. (for ___ Australian Standard Time, the ___ being Central, Eastern, and Western...) ____________ .
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