Use the money to care for Americans and fix the schools. Every State seems to be laying off teachers while our governmemt claims to care....Save the money we give away for 1 month and fix the schools, we shouldn't be giving at the expense of our Children.

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unfortunately we do provide money for schools. It gets squandered in school board pay and not on the students.

Foreign aid is intended to alleviate international problems before then come knocking on our door.

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I have to agree with Skil on this one. I've seen far too many teachers who care more about getting their pay (and going on strike if they don't get a raise every few years) and pension than they do about teaching the students and buying modern/helpful teaching aids. Maybe that's just my area....

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unfortunately we do provide money for schools. It gets squandered in school board pay and not on the students.

Foreign aid is intended to alleviate international problems before then come knocking on our door.

I agree with you about the School Boards, but it seems the Majority of our Foreign Aid goes to prop up Dictators and VERY VERY little actually makes it to anyone that needs it...I just get so tired of hearing Obama and All the rest of the Ex-Presidents go on about helping education when the Last thing the Government seems to want is Educated people.

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I say stop it PERMANENTLY
When it comes to foreign aid - I cant think of a bigger waste of blood and wealth than the Vietnam War - and I'm a Vet! Anyone know the FACTS behind the Tonkin Gulf Incident? A recent parallel might be the modern term WMD.
We had an an intrinsically corrupt Government who made mouth music about democratic principles convincing our ELITISTS that we were doomed unless we supported them.Can we find parallels in today's events?
As for Humanitarian relief - consider the recent events where a Southeast Asian country won't even let the U.N. relief workers into the country to provide disaster relief.
The US gets a bill from the UN all the time for projects the U.N. sponsors. Why do us taxpayers have to ante up MORE to support our own political agendas - as dictated by the politically educated?
As for Education - nothing can be more priceless than a GOOD teacher! It's only when they become administrators they seem to loose all grip on what is reaching the kids! They get a fixation on scores and budgets. I say - PAY THE TEACHERS and SUBSIDZE THE P.T.A.!

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do not, the scene is lot more complex.

I say stop it PERMANENTLY
When it comes to foreign aid - I cant think of a bigger waste of blood and wealth...

It is all very political.

Foreign aid and trade are all a part of the 'diplomacy' of influence and of causing or averting war.

Which would you prefer? A few dollars in aid to keep the victims humoured in their impoverishment or instead no aid and a war because they fight because they would die in any case? (For one very simple example.)

Fighting corruption would give far far greater returns than stopping the minuscule amounts of aid that are wielded.

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I say stop it PERMANENTLY
When it comes to foreign aid - I cant think of a bigger waste of blood and wealth...

It is all very political.

Foreign aid and trade are all a part of the 'diplomacy' of influence and of causing or averting war.

Which would you prefer? A few dollars in aid to keep the victims humoured in their impoverishment or instead no aid and a war because they fight because they would die in any case? (For one very simple example.)

Fighting corruption would give far far greater returns than stopping the minuscule amounts of aid that are wielded.

Regards,
Martin

Even at the cost of our Childrens Education? Seems we need to pull the money from somewhere and that would be the least painless for Americans. Could probably pay for some of that FREE Heathcare everyone is pushing.
Most of the Money going to impoverished places just supports the Puppet Government they have....Not the People, Zimbabwe is the Perfect example.

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As I attempted to point out before. Foreign aid is intended to prevent international catastrophes where whole ethnic groups are displaced or killed outright.

Should we stop sending money to Egypt and Israel. Bet you didnt know that part of the peace deal is that they both get large sums of money from us. before the peace deal the Soviets supplied the Egyptian military with equipment and the Israelis got most of theirs from the US. after the Peace deal, The Soviets were forced out of Egypt and there hasn't been any significant problem with the 2 countries since the late 70's.

As far as the money heading to dictators, I'm not sure that most African nations or east Asian countries are ran by Dictators but I doubt it. Heck look at Europe and Japan post WWII if it wasnt for foreign aid we'd still be dealing with Germany and Japan as enemies...FYI they currently are not our enemies... Where there are a few problems with foreign aid their are by far more significant success stories.

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As I attempted to point out before. Foreign aid is intended to prevent international catastrophes where whole ethnic groups are displaced or killed outright.

Should we stop sending money to Egypt and Israel. Bet you didnt know that part of the peace deal is that they both get large sums of money from us. before the peace deal the Soviets supplied the Egyptian military with equipment and the Israelis got most of theirs from the US. after the Peace deal, The Soviets were forced out of Egypt and there hasn't been any significant problem with the 2 countries since the late 70's.

We sent foreign aid to Iran and Vietnam. A brighter pair of success stories you can't paint.

As far as the money heading to dictators, I'm not sure that most African nations or east Asian countries are ran by Dictators but I doubt it. Heck look at Europe and Japan post WWII if it wasnt for foreign aid we'd still be dealing with Germany and Japan as enemies...FYI they currently are not our enemies... Where there are a few problems with foreign aid their are by far more significant success stories.

We don't send aid to Cuba or North Korea. Doesn't seem to have hurt them. I'd wager we have about a 50/50 track record on the matter. We need to be much better predictors of the future than we have been and that means more ground operatives in the CIA. I think most of our foreign aid budget would be better spent on more CIA field operatives.

In case there is a question, Foreign Aid is not Humanitarian Aid.

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So not paying them to be good for 30 days shouldn't be that big a deal. Our schools need help and reorganizing and it needs to start somewhere. It's time for Europe to start taking the lead in some of these problem areas and America needs to help America to get back on track. Seems we could easily get a Billion or so....

"The GAO report, obtained by USA TODAY, concludes that a 2006 initiative by then-secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to reform the scattershot programs has made progress but has not overcome major hurdles. Programs remain disconnected from a larger strategy, the report says.

The Rice effort sought to unify what the report says is about $18.9 billion in programs under the State Department and the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), but it didn't include as many as 18 other agencies that deliver foreign aid, said Steven Radelet, a senior fellow at the Center for Global Development and a former Treasury Department official."

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We already had a president that, as the decider, decided that diplomacy was insulting as many countries as possible for 8 years. Now we get to mend fences. Cutting aid off is really not going to make us a good neighbor on this world. Had we a world where we could just be by ourselves we could ignore everything that isnt us. We dont have that luxury. I'll state it again in case you didnt read it the first few times.

If you don't improve things over there. They bring their problems over here.

The cheapest most efficient way to help ourselves is to help others in their own country. Imagine the number of imigrants that would be heading here had we not assisted in peoples native lands.

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We already had a president that, as the decider, decided that diplomacy was insulting as many countries as possible for 8 years. Now we get to mend fences. Cutting aid off is really not going to make us a good neighbor on this world. Had we a world where we could just be by ourselves we could ignore everything that isnt us. We dont have that luxury. I'll state it again in case you didnt read it the first few times.

If you don't improve things over there. They bring their problems over here.

The cheapest most efficient way to help ourselves is to help others in their own country. Imagine the number of imigrants that would be heading here had we not assisted in peoples native lands.

I'm not convinced all our foreign aid goes to worthwile causes that make us more popular or prevents mass immigration. For instance, we send billions of dollars worth of American made weapons to Isreal every year. Does this help our diplomacy with Iran or other arab nations?

We already had a president that, as the decider, decided that diplomacy was insulting as many countries as possible for 8 years. Now we get to mend fences. Cutting aid off is really not going to make us a good neighbor on this world. Had we a world where we could just be by ourselves we could ignore everything that isnt us. We dont have that luxury. I'll state it again in case you didnt read it the first few times.

If you don't improve things over there. They bring their problems over here.

The cheapest most efficient way to help ourselves is to help others in their own country. Imagine the number of imigrants that would be heading here had we not assisted in peoples native lands.

I'm not convinced all our foreign aid goes to worthwile causes that make us more popular or prevents mass immigration. For instance, we send billions of dollars worth of American made weapons to Isreal every year. Does this help our diplomacy with Iran or other arab nations?

No need to be convinced. Just remember that a majority of immigration to the US is due to unrest or squalld conditions in the immigrants home country. Be it low wages, rebels, or no water US foreign aid attempts to prevent the unrest and poverty in these countries so that they don't come here and create more of a burden and cost more money than if we didnt just spend the money in teh first place.

On a high note your efforts to spend money on American schools will do wonders for the new immigrants children that came from the country where you decided we didnt need to send money.

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We already had a president that, as the decider, decided that diplomacy was insulting as many countries as possible for 8 years. Now we get to mend fences. Cutting aid off is really not going to make us a good neighbor on this world. Had we a world where we could just be by ourselves we could ignore everything that isnt us. We dont have that luxury. I'll state it again in case you didnt read it the first few times.

If you don't improve things over there. They bring their problems over here.

The cheapest most efficient way to help ourselves is to help others in their own country. Imagine the number of imigrants that would be heading here had we not assisted in peoples native lands.

I'm not convinced all our foreign aid goes to worthwile causes that make us more popular or prevents mass immigration. For instance, we send billions of dollars worth of American made weapons to Isreal every year. Does this help our diplomacy with Iran or other arab nations?

No need to be convinced. Just remember that a majority of immigration to the US is due to unrest or squalld conditions in the immigrants home country. Be it low wages, rebels, or no water US foreign aid attempts to prevent the unrest and poverty in these countries so that they don't come here and create more of a burden and cost more money than if we didnt just spend the money in teh first place.

On a high note your efforts to spend money on American schools will do wonders for the new immigrants children that came from the country where you decided we didnt need to send money.

What does this have to do with sending weapons to the middle east ?

We already had a president that, as the decider, decided that diplomacy was insulting as many countries as possible for 8 years. Now we get to mend fences. Cutting aid off is really not going to make us a good neighbor on this world. Had we a world where we could just be by ourselves we could ignore everything that isnt us. We dont have that luxury. I'll state it again in case you didnt read it the first few times.

If you don't improve things over there. They bring their problems over here.

The cheapest most efficient way to help ourselves is to help others in their own country. Imagine the number of imigrants that would be heading here had we not assisted in peoples native lands.

I'm not convinced all our foreign aid goes to worthwile causes that make us more popular or prevents mass immigration. For instance, we send billions of dollars worth of American made weapons to Isreal every year. Does this help our diplomacy with Iran or other arab nations?

No need to be convinced. Just remember that a majority of immigration to the US is due to unrest or squalld conditions in the immigrants home country. Be it low wages, rebels, or no water US foreign aid attempts to prevent the unrest and poverty in these countries so that they don't come here and create more of a burden and cost more money than if we didnt just spend the money in teh first place.

On a high note your efforts to spend money on American schools will do wonders for the new immigrants children that came from the country where you decided we didnt need to send money.

What does this have to do with sending weapons to the middle east ?

I'm not sure skildude realizes there is a difference between:
Foreign Aid -- Money to the government -- used to buy guns and ammo.
Humanitarian Aid -- Food, clothing and things -- not money.

Many foreign governments refuse Humanitarian Aid because it destabilizes their government because it points out how bad a job they are doing. Foreign Aid only props up corrupt regimes making more enemies for the USA.

As for immigration that problem is due to our own people refusing to do a days labor for a days pay. Americans feel entitled to not do hard work, so people from other countries come in and take the job.

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in your simplified world we hand money over to others without oversight. Thats a bit short sighted. The money handed out is sent for specific projects. Fail to do the projects and the money flow stops. Its not like an african nation, for example, comes to the US gov't saying they need $5 billion to make their country whole. The US puts stipulations on every dime that goes out. Its the same if you get a car loan. The bank doesnt just hand you money and assume you are running to the car dealer to get your vehicle. they actually do some ground work to see if these "needy" countries are actually going to use the money for infrastructure or to commint genecide on a minority population in the country. Yes the US gov't sells a crap load of arms to other countries. Money that endears the countries to the US because we also get to supply the replacement parts since the chinese and soviet era equipment isnt compatible with US equipment.

http://www.usaid.gov/about_usaid/ the site for us foreign aid through the State dept. the last thing mentioned is humanitarian aid. Foreign aid is not a military assistance program as assumed by you. its a structured measured assistance to program with the intent of improving the lives of people of foreign countries for the same reasons I've mentioned before. should I tell you them again?

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in your simplified world we hand money over to others without oversight. Thats a bit short sighted. The money handed out is sent for specific projects. Fail to do the projects and the money flow stops. Its not like an african nation, for example, comes to the US gov't saying they need $5 billion to make their country whole. The US puts stipulations on every dime that goes out. Its the same if you get a car loan. The bank doesnt just hand you money and assume you are running to the car dealer to get your vehicle. they actually do some ground work to see if these "needy" countries are actually going to use the money for infrastructure or to commint genecide on a minority population in the country. Yes the US gov't sells a crap load of arms to other countries. Money that endears the countries to the US because we also get to supply the replacement parts since the chinese and soviet era equipment isnt compatible with US equipment.

http://www.usaid.gov/about_usaid/ the site for us foreign aid through the State dept. the last thing mentioned is humanitarian aid. Foreign aid is not a military assistance program as assumed by you. its a structured measured assistance to program with the intent of improving the lives of people of foreign countries for the same reasons I've mentioned before. should I tell you them again?

Rest assured, The United States gives more weapons money to Isreal and Egypt than any other humanitarian project anywhere in the world.

in your simplified world we hand money over to others without oversight. Thats a bit short sighted. The money handed out is sent for specific projects. Fail to do the projects and the money flow stops. Its not like an african nation, for example, comes to the US gov't saying they need $5 billion to make their country whole. The US puts stipulations on every dime that goes out. Its the same if you get a car loan. The bank doesnt just hand you money and assume you are running to the car dealer to get your vehicle. they actually do some ground work to see if these "needy" countries are actually going to use the money for infrastructure or to commint genecide on a minority population in the country. Yes the US gov't sells a crap load of arms to other countries. Money that endears the countries to the US because we also get to supply the replacement parts since the chinese and soviet era equipment isnt compatible with US equipment.

http://www.usaid.gov/about_usaid/ the site for us foreign aid through the State dept. the last thing mentioned is humanitarian aid. Foreign aid is not a military assistance program as assumed by you. its a structured measured assistance to program with the intent of improving the lives of people of foreign countries for the same reasons I've mentioned before. should I tell you them again?

That is the program run by the Department of State.
It isn't the only program.
http://www.dsca.mil/Default.htm
Oh, don't forget this one either.
http://www.doi.gov/bia/bia.html/

The US Government is big and the left hand almost never knows what the right hand is doing.

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Neither site shows anything related to Foreign aid. The entire premise of this thread was to stop foreign aid for 30 days. Yet you've not provided one shread of evidence to counter anything I've said other than saying the military is providing foreign aid. Ya know there's really no point to showing you facts you are convinced you know better than actual evidence. so I'll leave you with your thoughts

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