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perryjay Send message Joined: 20 Aug 02 Posts: 3377 Credit: 20,676,751 RAC: 0 |
I rely on my router hardware firewall and my untrusting nature of anything that enters my email box from anybody I don't explicitly know....and sometimes I will not follow a few links that they send. I got caught by a yahoo message from a friend that had a link to his new baby's pictures. It was late and I knew he was expecting so I clicked it without contacting him first. Once I got my computer clean again I got ahold of him and found out he had been infected and sent out a ton of those before he got it under control.. PROUD MEMBER OF Team Starfire World BOINC |
FalconFly Send message Joined: 5 Oct 99 Posts: 394 Credit: 18,053,892 RAC: 0 |
After my battle with sys defender, I realize I need better protection. Please tell me what you recommend for both spyware and antivirus protection. Sounds cheesy but here's my preferred ones : Common Sense(tm) V1.0 Experience(tm) V36.1 Honestly, I found no Software Package could ever beat above combo and essentially, they're the only ones who actually work. For everything else, I recommend a blend mix of the following : - Anti-Rootkit (multiple) - Anti-Spyware (multiple) - Anti-Virus (multiple) - Anti-Malware (multiple) - Anti-Trojan (multiple) Since all existing Antivirus Programs utterly fail at doing their job right (fully cleaning and restoring a functional system) since many years now, salvation of Data and a following new Windows Installation is often the quicker way. When typical AntiVirus software reports a problem, it's usually too late as the system is already infected and therefor compromised. The times where a user would read "Virus found and destroyed, have a nice day" are long over; modern Antivirus suites more and more often can't even quarantine and contain the threat anymore. To add to injury, a system left "clean" by any AntiVirus scan typically is not clean and few Antivirus programs even work - let alone excel - in all six required categories (Rootkits, Worms/Viruses, Spyware, Malware, Trojans, Exploits). With recognition rates far below 100% accross the board, they're effectively useless except for signaling "Congratulations, your System is ready to be re-installed" (compared to what their Advertising claims it could do). Everything else is manual hand-work, i.e. identifying the premier problem, downloading and running dedicated removal tools etc. Still the system may easily be still compromised and no trust should be given in it until a known clean backup is restored or it is reinstalled from scratch. |
Clyde C. Phillips, III Send message Joined: 2 Aug 00 Posts: 1851 Credit: 5,955,047 RAC: 0 |
Consumer Reports magazine for June says that the three separate programs "Avira Antivir Antivirus Personal" (free-av.com), Microsoft "Windows Defender" (microsoft.com/defender) and "Spamfighter Standard" (spamfighter.com/download.download.asp) is the best security combination now. Besides, it's FREE. One shortcoming, but a minor one, per "CR", is that e-mail is not scanned. |
1mp0£173 Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 8423 Credit: 356,897 RAC: 0 |
It isn't even that. We as a society tend to look at things and say "this is exactly what it appears to be." We seem to assume that everyone is honest. Currently, the truly successful viruses are not viruses at all. They're trojan horses. They propagate because people get an E-Mail that says "We at the FBI have seen you visiting illegal websites -- open the attachment NOW!" ... and if you actually read and pay attention, the author is clearly not a native speaker of English. I'm not being critical on non-native speakers, just saying that the FBI does not hire foreign nationals for these jobs. E-Mail is anonymous. Anyone can impersonate anyone on the 'net. Most people who are infected with viruses would have been protected if they'd just asked "what if...." |
John McCallum Send message Joined: 5 Dec 04 Posts: 877 Credit: 599,458 RAC: 8 |
Old enough to know better(but)still young enough not to care |
archae86 Send message Joined: 31 Aug 99 Posts: 909 Credit: 1,582,816 RAC: 0 |
I currently pay for Eset's NOD32 antivirus. Norton lost me as a customer with a totally fouled up renewal process (and sealed the loss with an even more fouled up uninstall). I currently run COMODO firewall (free version). After many years of running ZoneAlarm free version, I had two serious loss-of-internet service issues within a few months (one or both were associated with Windows XP updates from Microsoft). I also regard my router as something of a partial hardware firewall, as the IP's of my hosts don't appear directly on the Internet, which protects them from some of the random address generating class of attacks. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20265 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
When the virus and malware problems ramped up in the days when I used WinXP, I found it easier to discover Linux than to work through the anti-virus silliness. Various application names were different but the general layout and features were similar enough as to be no problem. Some aspects were much cleaner and neater and there was none of the IN YER FACE MATE THIS IS THE OPERATING SYSTEM DEMANDING YOUR FULL ATTENTION stupidity. A complete absence of 'security threat' pop-ups was a beautiful piece of tranquillity. It was very good to be able to just try two or three distros and stay with the one I liked. A big plus was that of having multiple desktops as "normal" instead of a buggy "power" add-on as with Windows at that time. s@h-classic even ran faster under WINE on the Linux than it did on the native WinXP! And no more anti-virus silliness. Since then, I'm left wondering why people put up with such an insecure and time-wasting mess when computers should just work, simply. No need to waste time jumping hoops! Your opinions may vary ;-) Happy (virus free) crunchin', Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
When the virus and malware problems ramped up in the days when I used WinXP, I found it easier to discover Linux than to work through the anti-virus silliness. Various application names were different but the general layout and features were similar enough as to be no problem. Some aspects were much cleaner and neater and there was none of the IN YER FACE MATE THIS IS THE OPERATING SYSTEM DEMANDING YOUR FULL ATTENTION stupidity. A complete absence of 'security threat' pop-ups was a beautiful piece of tranquillity. just an FYI http://www.clamav.net/ linux/unix AV there is still a need for a linux AV not much of a need but a need. and the thread wasnt looking for alternatives to WIndows it was looking for the best AV/antimalware products In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
perryjay Send message Joined: 20 Aug 02 Posts: 3377 Credit: 20,676,751 RAC: 0 |
Guess it can happen to anyone... Computer virus strikes U.S. Marshals, FBI...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30882735/ PROUD MEMBER OF Team Starfire World BOINC |
Mike Bader Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 231 Credit: 20,366,214 RAC: 33 |
they had 'protection' but it wasn't updated in 3 years. Another common problem. People install something and don't do updates. Or they do not know their software. They get a message and just believe it and click away. Mike Bader BOINC V7.16.5 http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/team_join_form.php?id=5 - Join Our International Team [img]http://boinc.mundayweb.com/one/stats.php? |
1mp0£173 Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 8423 Credit: 356,897 RAC: 0 |
Your opinions may vary ;-) Martin, I'm sorely tempted to buy you a copy of "The Art of Deception" by Kevin Mitnick. That (and "Takedown" by Tsutomu Shimomura) are must-read for anyone doing computer security. Kevin Mitnick is the most notorious hacker of all time. He's the only person I've ever heard of that hacked his way out of prison. As it turns out, he really isn't much of a technologist. Instead, he attacked the most vulnerable link in the system, and it's the one component that is truly "common" between *nix and Windows. His gifts are in social engineering, not technology. He targets the users, not the systems. -- Ned |
Alinator Send message Joined: 19 Apr 05 Posts: 4178 Credit: 4,647,982 RAC: 0 |
Local IT urban legend: One guy tried to install a Win XP, while he had his computer directly connected to the dormitory's LAN. 15 minutes later he had an infected comp. :D So, unplug unless you had firewall. Yeah, only if one is dumb enough to not disable NBT before going online to get the first round of updates if you have an original XP install disk, and/or don't have a router or firewall appliance. Come to think of it, the very first thing I do on any Windows reinstall before connecting the network cable is disable NBT on all network interfaces. If the machine has no need for Windows File and Print Sharing it stays disabled. Alinator |
Alinator Send message Joined: 19 Apr 05 Posts: 4178 Credit: 4,647,982 RAC: 0 |
Your opinions may vary ;-) Agreed, but that wasn't the most humorous part of the post. Work simply!!?? I don't think that's ever been in the nix lexicon. Powerful, yes... Simple, No. ;-) Alinator |
FalconFly Send message Joined: 5 Oct 99 Posts: 394 Credit: 18,053,892 RAC: 0 |
I can easily beat that, personal record witnessed on someone installing WinXP (directly connected to the Internet) getting infected was 3 Seconds after System startup. Security and Windows just doesn't mix, never meant to. |
Gonad the Destroyer®©™ Send message Joined: 6 Aug 99 Posts: 204 Credit: 12,463,705 RAC: 0 |
I reinstalled XP for a friend, he had dial up, and like a moron, I am behind a router so theres a little protection, but he had dial up, so I connected to get updates, and a few seconds after it got done dialing, the PC rebooted, I was like WTF?!??!! and sure enough, it crawled....heh Lesson learned.... I use NOD32 security suite for kids PC, and just NOD32 virri scanner for mine.... No worries...heh |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65738 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
I reinstalled XP for a friend, he had dial up, and like a moron, I am behind a router so there's a little protection, but he had dial up, so I connected to get updates, and a few seconds after it got done dialing, the PC rebooted, I was like WTF?!??!! It's not like old days, Being popular has Its problems and such today. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
StokeyBob Send message Joined: 31 Aug 03 Posts: 848 Credit: 2,218,691 RAC: 0 |
I think the best thing I ever did was to get a router. It cut down the kids on my lawn to almost nothing. I have used some of the free anti viruses mentioned and they worked fine, I've got Kaspersky Internet Security running now and it seems to play nice with BOINC. It also comes with multiple licenses. |
jim Send message Joined: 21 Mar 06 Posts: 6 Credit: 1,902,811 RAC: 0 |
I've used AVG free for about a year now and have had no problems. It's biggest footprint is it puts a "no virus found in incoming message" tag on all of my incoming e-mails". Plus a once a week sweep with spybot search and destroy. |
Vipin Palazhi Send message Joined: 29 Feb 08 Posts: 286 Credit: 167,386,578 RAC: 0 |
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elbea64 Send message Joined: 16 Aug 99 Posts: 114 Credit: 6,352,198 RAC: 0 |
This website should be of some help. I suggest not to use commercial sites that live from advertising. I own an advertising agency and it works that way: if you advertise at us we'll promote your product. Use some independant sites like
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