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Message 879944 - Posted: 28 Mar 2009, 3:29:57 UTC

I'm looking for pointers on enabling Microsoft's remote desktop (RDT?) on Vista 64 system. Preferably one that you might have successfully used. I've followed multiple links the last two days were the Vista hack works in 32 bit and not in 64 bit. I'm hoping that someone on this forum might have already successfully crossed that hurdle.

Also, when I searched the SETI message boards I saw a comment about RDT interfering with the CUDA devices. Any comments?

Thanks for the help!

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Message 879955 - Posted: 28 Mar 2009, 3:50:53 UTC - in response to Message 879944.

Which version of Vista 64? Home, Business or Ultimate?
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Message 879960 - Posted: 28 Mar 2009, 3:57:33 UTC - in response to Message 879944.
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EDIT: Forgot my standard disclaimer: Gawd, I hate Vista. :)

EDIT#2: Cleared per Ozz's post below.
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Message 879963 - Posted: 28 Mar 2009, 4:06:26 UTC

Just a note to users, hacking is illegal and cannot be discussed on the SETI message boards.


PS - Standard disclaimer: Dawg I love Vista!
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Message 879975 - Posted: 28 Mar 2009, 5:21:45 UTC - in response to Message 879944.

I am using successfully UltraVNC - it has a client/server for Vista x64, works as a service (I can reset the PC and I can type in the logon password if I need to).
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Message 879990 - Posted: 28 Mar 2009, 8:25:48 UTC - in response to Message 879944.

I'm looking for pointers on enabling Microsoft's remote desktop (RDT?) on Vista 64 system. Preferably one that you might have successfully used. I've followed multiple links the last two days were the Vista hack works in 32 bit and not in 64 bit. I'm hoping that someone on this forum might have already successfully crossed that hurdle.

Also, when I searched the SETI message boards I saw a comment about RDT interfering with the CUDA devices. Any comments?

Thanks for the help!



HI,
I'm a bit of a tyro with this myself. But you might want to look at

http://www.mesh.com

Toppie.

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Message 880019 - Posted: 28 Mar 2009, 11:04:04 UTC - in response to Message 879990.

Hi,

I have a Vista Home 64 box. To check it remotely, I use logmein.com. Install a small ap on the system you want to monitor and off you go. They offer a free version.

HTH.
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Message 880027 - Posted: 28 Mar 2009, 12:02:00 UTC

I don't understand the problem. I've Vista Ultimate 32, Business 64 and SBS 2008 64 using Remote Desktop in any Direction. Nothing special about the 64 Bit versions works like 32 Bit and like it worked since XP.

I tried different VNC-solutions as my Milkyway PCs stop crunching when Remote Desktop is active but they were all terrible compared to Remote Desktop only TeamViewer is a little alternative except for file transfers

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Message 880029 - Posted: 28 Mar 2009, 12:22:30 UTC - in response to Message 880027.

I don't understand the problem. I've Vista Ultimate 32, Business 64 and SBS 2008 64 using Remote Desktop in any Direction.

On Vista Home (Premium) version MS has disabled RDP in incoming direction, meaning you can't log in to it from other computers, unless invited to administer it.

To moderator's: Are patches not from MS considered as hacks in this case?

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Message 880054 - Posted: 28 Mar 2009, 14:00:01 UTC - in response to Message 880029.
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To moderator's: Are patches not from MS considered as hacks in this case?

I'm not a moderator, but I gave this a little thought after getting the slap on the wrist from Ozz. :)

Vista Home Basic and Premium have RDP turned off, while Ultimate and Business have it enabled. So doing a "hack" or "patch" without paying for the OS upgrade would be akin to paying for basic cable and then hacking the cable box to get just 1 of the premium channels for free. So technically, IMO, yes.
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Message 880068 - Posted: 28 Mar 2009, 14:56:05 UTC - in response to Message 880029.

I don't understand the problem. I've Vista Ultimate 32, Business 64 and SBS 2008 64 using Remote Desktop in any Direction.

On Vista Home (Premium) version MS has disabled RDP in incoming direction, meaning you can't log in to it from other computers, unless invited to administer it.

To moderator's: Are patches not from MS considered as hacks in this case?


Yes, what ccappel said.
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Message 880072 - Posted: 28 Mar 2009, 15:20:00 UTC - in response to Message 880054.

Vista Home Basic and Premium have RDP turned off, while Ultimate and Business have it enabled. So doing a "hack" or "patch" without paying for the OS upgrade would be akin to paying for basic cable and then hacking the cable box to get just 1 of the premium channels for free. So technically, IMO, yes.

Quoting myself for a soapbox moment.

In the cases outlined above, I still think it's highway robbery to force consumers to buy much more than they need or want (ie. an entire package) to get a specific feature (or channel). Situations like these should be offered a la carte, when feasible. In this case, the simple "turning on" of RDP for Home Basic or Home Premium users could be a chargeable download from the MS website, not requiring an entire OS upgrade hassle and cost.
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Message 880126 - Posted: 28 Mar 2009, 19:38:13 UTC - in response to Message 879975.

I am using successfully UltraVNC - it has a client/server for Vista x64, works as a service (I can reset the PC and I can type in the logon password if I need to).


I'm also using UltraVNC on my Vista HP 64 system, but I have one issue - when I get the pop-up "admin" prompts (like when starting services) I get booted and can't get back in, have to walk over to the PC and click the continue. Anyone know a way to fix that?

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Message 880129 - Posted: 28 Mar 2009, 19:41:36 UTC - in response to Message 880072.

Vista Home Basic and Premium have RDP turned off, while Ultimate and Business have it enabled. So doing a "hack" or "patch" without paying for the OS upgrade would be akin to paying for basic cable and then hacking the cable box to get just 1 of the premium channels for free. So technically, IMO, yes.

Quoting myself for a soapbox moment.

In the cases outlined above, I still think it's highway robbery to force consumers to buy much more than they need or want (ie. an entire package) to get a specific feature (or channel). Situations like these should be offered a la carte, when feasible. In this case, the simple "turning on" of RDP for Home Basic or Home Premium users could be a chargeable download from the MS website, not requiring an entire OS upgrade hassle and cost.
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Its funny you should go on that soapbox rant, because rumor has it that Microsoft is going to modularize the next version of Windows and sell you software and services tailored to your needs. Have a home machine that you don't use for gaming but need RDP access? Leave DirectX off and buy the RDP module. Want a home entertainment experience watching movies? Buy the Media Center software with DVD/Blu Ray codecs.

Or so the idea is supposed to go. Some people do not like this idea because it may confuse some consumers. Imagine you aren't a big computer geek and you just brought home a brand new Dell with Windows Experience 8 SP2. You set up your computer and you decide to test its power by playing your favorite game. What's this? No directX? I just paid $2,000 on a computer and now Microsoft wants me to pay an additional $10 for DirectX? Fine, whatever. You finish playing your game and you decide you want to connect to your company's VPN. Now what? You gotta be kidding me! Now I have to pay $10 for VPN access! Some people think this will be the negative user experience if Microsoft starts releasing a bare OS while offering you all the things you used to get built-in as an extra charge. I can see how some people would feel "nickel and dimed" to death.

Of course, it doesn't have to be that drastic. There's always the idea that Microsoft could sell you Windows Golden Gate View 8.0 SP1.5 Home Edition with all the usual "home" trimmings, but still offer modules for RDP, domain access and other services found in the Business version of their OS for a nominal fee, but if all those features are found in the Uber Wet Your Pants Ultimate version for less than all the upsold packages, what's the point? Just get the UWYPU version and be done with it. I mean, really, how many typical users need RDP acccess? If they knew they wanted that functionality, why didn't they just get the Ultimate version to begin with? Cost? Would offering it for $10 really stop that many people from trying to hack the OS and get it for nothing? I don't think so. Sure, some people will be willing to pay up, but there's just too many people out there that want the bragging rights of how smart they are to get away with taking something from a major corporation without having paid for it, and the chances of them getting caught are slim to none. Its a win-win situation.

Having said all that, I wouldn't mind a few extra modules for Vista myself. I have some Vista Home Premium/XP Home OSes that cannot connect to domains, preventing me from setting one up in my house. And I would love RDP access on all my machines because it would make it so much easier to remotely manage them (and I gave up on RealVNC once I found out a hacker was using a flaw in RealVNC to hack into my network). Then again, I'm a geek like that.

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Message 880309 - Posted: 29 Mar 2009, 3:12:49 UTC - in response to Message 879955.

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Message 880318 - Posted: 29 Mar 2009, 3:28:47 UTC - in response to Message 880126.

I am using successfully UltraVNC - it has a client/server for Vista x64, works as a service (I can reset the PC and I can type in the logon password if I need to).


I'm also using UltraVNC on my Vista HP 64 system, but I have one issue - when I get the pop-up "admin" prompts (like when starting services) I get booted and can't get back in, have to walk over to the PC and click the continue. Anyone know a way to fix that?

-Dave


I am using the x64 version that it is beta-RC1. As I said I can reboot the machine and type in the password if I need to.
Ah, use the MSRC4 plugin (the other one didn't work for me) and also I had to install manually the supplemental video driver for Vista (Add/Remove Hardware...) - it works faster with it.

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Message 880404 - Posted: 29 Mar 2009, 11:53:47 UTC - in response to Message 880309.

Home, premium


Vista Home Premium x64 does not have Remote Desktop capability. You'll have to upgrade to either Vista Business or Vista Ultimate.
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Message 880795 - Posted: 30 Mar 2009, 16:04:51 UTC - in response to Message 880318.

[quote]I am using successfully UltraVNC - it has a client/server for Vista x64, works as a service (I can reset the PC and I can type in the logon password if I need to).


I'm also using UltraVNC on my Vista HP 64 system, but I have one issue - when I get the pop-up "admin" prompts (like when starting services) I get booted and can't get back in, have to walk over to the PC and click the continue. Anyone know a way to fix that?

-Dave

I forgot to tell you to check on the server to disable the AERO interface when you are connecting with the client...

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