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Message 878370 - Posted: 22 Mar 2009, 17:49:38 UTC - in response to Message 878368.  

What about all that stuff that remained on the moon? The buggies..


I think it would be great if we went back and found the buggy up on blocks, stripped...

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Message 878372 - Posted: 22 Mar 2009, 17:51:23 UTC - in response to Message 878367.  

You mean you don't want the buggy back?? That is terrible. I was thinking about buying the ground and declaring it as a parking area ....
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Message 878373 - Posted: 22 Mar 2009, 17:53:15 UTC

I think you'll need shares in Walmart for that.
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Message 878377 - Posted: 22 Mar 2009, 18:00:04 UTC - in response to Message 878372.  

You mean you don't want the buggy back?? That is terrible. I was thinking about buying the ground and declaring it as a parking area ....


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Message 878379 - Posted: 22 Mar 2009, 18:03:42 UTC - in response to Message 878377.  

Thank you for the offer. But it is not really an alternative option. There is no buggy parking on it for the last forty years (Thinking about the parking fee).
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Message 878382 - Posted: 22 Mar 2009, 18:07:52 UTC - in response to Message 878344.  

Obviously someone is an undereducated fool a bodies have gravity sometimes you need specialist equipment to measure it other times you only need a rock and your foot.As for the "Moon Hoax"some people will believe anything.

Thanks John, Much appreciated.

I went Google hunting and found this web siteI think it is the same one John McLeod VII refered to http://www.clavius.org/envrad.html covers most if not all the points the headbanger out there referto as "Proof"that the Appollo misions were faked.
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Message 878389 - Posted: 22 Mar 2009, 18:31:11 UTC - in response to Message 878363.  
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What about all that stuff that remained on the moon? The buggies, the platforms? If the garbage collection has no rockets and no alien has stolen it meanwhile, it all should be still there and can be found by moon mapping missions or other crewed spaceflights.

I can do better than that, Just aim Hubble at the moon and start snapping some High Res Photos of the surface, It should show everything, Including the foot prints and the tire tracks(11 and 12 didn't have a Buggy, 14 and maybe 15 might have(39 years since this started 1969-1972) and 16 & 17 did have a buggy, 17 was the only one with a real geologist along though, Astronauts filled in before. 13 didn't get there as they converted the LEM into a Lifeboat so 13 doesn't count and neither did 8-10(practice and shakedowns of the technology), 1 was a fire, 2-7 never existed at all cause of the Fire in 1 that killed 3 Astronauts due to a pure oxygen atmosphere(poof!).
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Message 878391 - Posted: 22 Mar 2009, 18:42:57 UTC

What are 11 and 12 14 and 15, and the other numbers?

The name of the adventure?
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Message 878394 - Posted: 22 Mar 2009, 18:45:25 UTC - in response to Message 878391.  
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What are 11 and 12 14 and 15, and the other numbers?

The name of the adventure?

16 and 17.

All were part of the Apollo Program as a part of NASA. And launched by Saturn V Rockets, The Greatest Rockets ever made, Bar none.

The Saturn V rocket was reputed to have enough raw horse power or throw weight to launch anything to anywhere in the solar system.
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Message 878395 - Posted: 22 Mar 2009, 18:47:47 UTC

Is it true to say that the Russian Soyez is the most reliable?
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Message 878396 - Posted: 22 Mar 2009, 18:49:34 UTC
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Is it true that the German SS developed the V2 rocket. The first long range rocket and arguably the best historically?
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Message 878397 - Posted: 22 Mar 2009, 18:50:40 UTC - in response to Message 878395.  

Is it true to say that the Russian Soyuz is the most reliable?

It was never all that good, The Russians were just good at hiding all the failures and such(They had a lot of them too, Some spectacular), As they only showed the good stuff.
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Message 878399 - Posted: 22 Mar 2009, 18:54:01 UTC

Is it true to say that the Soyez is the most successful LEO {low earth orbit} rocket?
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Message 878400 - Posted: 22 Mar 2009, 18:56:27 UTC

And thus, it brings us to consider the topic heading...

Has America faked its space programme further than low earth orbit launches?
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Message 878401 - Posted: 22 Mar 2009, 19:00:39 UTC - in response to Message 878389.  

cause of the Fire in 1 that killed 3 Astronauts due to a pure oxygen atmosphere(poof!).


And the guy referenced in the first post (They had on Bart Sibrel) who supports the Moon Hoax also says the CIA started the Apollo 1 fire.

(Want to set up a fund to buy this guy a tin foil hat?)

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Message 878405 - Posted: 22 Mar 2009, 19:30:04 UTC - in response to Message 878401.  

cause of the Fire in 1 that killed 3 Astronauts due to a pure oxygen atmosphere(poof!).


And the guy referenced in the first post (They had on Bart Sibrel) who supports the Moon Hoax also says the CIA started the Apollo 1 fire.

(Want to set up a fund to buy this guy a tin foil hat?)


Nope, He sounds like a crackpot(Cracked Pot head?), Who needs a date with a Rubber Room at the ZOO.
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Message 878408 - Posted: 22 Mar 2009, 19:59:44 UTC - in response to Message 878396.  

Is it true that the German SS developed the V2 rocket. The first long range rocket and arguably the best historically?



It is true, that Germany has build the first long range rocket. But not the SS.
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Message 878413 - Posted: 22 Mar 2009, 20:12:57 UTC - in response to Message 878329.  
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I have often wondered what motivates conspiracy theorists. Moon hoax, lizard people, aliens at Roswell, the grassy knoll, whatever.

I have met a couple people who are convinced in the moon hoax conspiracy. I don’t bother arguing with them: it would be like arguing with people whom have strong religious beliefs: rational thought can never enter the picture, so why bother.

In the case of the Moon hoax, so far as I know, all of their major arguments have been thoroughly debunked (photo evidence, radiation belts, footprints in sand, waving flags, etc, etc.) yet they continue to believe the conspiracy theory.

To answer your question on what motivates conspiracy theorists. Moon hoax, lizard people, aliens at Roswell, the grassy knoll because the whole truth is never told to the general public.

Based on what evidence? I mean in regards to the Moon Hoax Theories. What evidence is there of a cover-up? I’ve not seen any, just a bunch of ‘evidence’ that has been entirely debunked.

It seems to me that it is a circular argument. “I believe that the government is lying to me. They deny that they are lying to me. Therefore, they are lying to me.” It is a lot like religion: because a person believes something, that belief becomes the basis of proof of self. That, however, doesn’t make it objectively real.

The Moon Hoax Theories are especially interesting because it is not that complicated to get to the moon. Newton worked out all of the theories (Laws of Gravitation, Laws of Motion.) Most of the practical applications of rocketry were worked out at Peenemünde in the 40’s. How to keep people alive for extended periods of time in sealed tubes was worked out in the 1950’s by the Americans, Soviets, French, British, et.al. when developing life-support systems for submarines.

All that was needed was someone to come along and bring everything together, and crank it up to a massive scale. Which was done, with success, in 1969.
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Message 878425 - Posted: 22 Mar 2009, 21:46:52 UTC - in response to Message 878413.  
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I have often wondered what motivates conspiracy theorists. Moon hoax, lizard people, aliens at Roswell, the grassy knoll, whatever.

I have met a couple people who are convinced in the moon hoax conspiracy. I don’t bother arguing with them: it would be like arguing with people whom have strong religious beliefs: rational thought can never enter the picture, so why bother.

In the case of the Moon hoax, so far as I know, all of their major arguments have been thoroughly debunked (photo evidence, radiation belts, footprints in sand, waving flags, etc, etc.) yet they continue to believe the conspiracy theory.

To answer your question on what motivates conspiracy theorists. Moon hoax, lizard people, aliens at Roswell, the grassy knoll because the whole truth is never told to the general public.

Based on what evidence? I mean in regards to the Moon Hoax Theories. What evidence is there of a cover-up? I’ve not seen any, just a bunch of ‘evidence’ that has been entirely debunked.

It seems to me that it is a circular argument. “I believe that the government is lying to me. They deny that they are lying to me. Therefore, they are lying to me.” It is a lot like religion: because a person believes something, that belief becomes the basis of proof of self. That, however, doesn’t make it objectively real.

The Moon Hoax Theories are especially interesting because it is not that complicated to get to the moon. Newton worked out all of the theories (Laws of Gravitation, Laws of Motion.) Most of the practical applications of rocketry were worked out at Peenemünde in the 40’s. How to keep people alive for extended periods of time in sealed tubes was worked out in the 1950’s by the Americans, Soviets, French, British, et.al. when developing life-support systems for submarines.

All that was needed was someone to come along and bring everything together, and crank it up to a massive scale. Which was done, with success, in 1969.

When I mentioned spectacularly I was talking about the the Russian rocket N1, Which I understood was overly complex in design and of course went BOOM quite well.


The first N-1 rocket,
showing its 30 engines
of the first stage.


A comparison of the U.S. Saturn V rocket with the Soviet N1. The N1 was slightly shorter yet delivered much more thrust. Even so, due to the Saturn V's use of liquid hydrogen propellant in its upper stages as opposed to the N1's use of kerosene in all stages, the Saturn V could loft heavier payloads into space. A flight history comparison strongly favors the Saturn V: in 13 operational launches, it lost no payloads; the N1 lost all payloads in 4 launches. The US spent more money and took longer developing the Saturn V.
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Message 878439 - Posted: 22 Mar 2009, 22:20:48 UTC - in response to Message 878425.  

When I mentioned spectacularly I was talking about the the Russian rocket N1, Which I understood was overly complex in design and of course went BOOM quite well.


The first N-1 rocket,
showing its 30 engines
of the first stage.


A comparison of the U.S. Saturn V rocket with the Soviet N1. The N1 was slightly shorter yet delivered much more thrust. Even so, due to the Saturn V's use of liquid hydrogen propellant in its upper stages as opposed to the N1's use of kerosene in all stages, the Saturn V could loft heavier payloads into space. A flight history comparison strongly favors the Saturn V: in 13 operational launches, it lost no payloads; the N1 lost all payloads in 4 launches. The US spent more money and took longer developing the Saturn V.

Mildly interesting little side story:

When they were designing and building the launch complex in Florida they did so with an eye to the need to launch the truly gigantic Nova rocket.

It was, in part, the possibility of having to launch this monster that made getting their heads around the need to launch the Saturn V seem almost easy.

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