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Hi again everyone. Looks like I've broken my promise of weekly blog entries by 41 days or so. Oh well, nobody's perfect (except Angela, of course). Anyway, you know those times when you get so involved in your work that you do things like forget to eat or go home? It's been like that. (That and, unfortunately, I can't really bring myself to believe that posting to a web site is really part of what I get paid to do.) | |
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Thank you very much for so interesting and illustrative post. | |
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Very interesting post, Eric. | |
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Oh well, nobody's perfect (except Angela, of course). "True-er" words were never said... | |
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I'd say that kenzieB's comment of "bias it against signal strength. That is, any If only it was that simple...... From my radio transmitter experience and the small amount of knowledge I have of Aricebo's setup, I offer the following scenario:- I woul guess that the interefering signal, although very strong, is probably ousite of the frequency band of interest and hence cannot be directly detected by Seti in the data. Instead what would be present in the data would be intermodulation products (signals) caused be the Radar (or other) signals saturating (overloading the inputs of) the amplifiers. These products could appear anywhere within the search frequency band and at any amplitude from below noise level to max recordable values, and would vary with any change in frequency or amplitude of the interfering signal. I hope this gives an insight into the massive headache this interference causes for Seti. Bruce EDIT: Oh.. I forgot to mention there could be hundreds, or even thousands of intermod products generated simultaneously. | |
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Chill out Boss! But I am chilled out. :) My post was only to help those who have little or no understanding of the problem gain a little insight into how complex it really is, and how difficult to eliminate. virtual = not real Ouch ... I've been exposed. :( | |
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Oh well, nobody's perfect (except Angela, of course). . . . so, what you were both sayin' [changes name BAcK to nobody] ;))) . . . watChes as Eric steps in and 'clarifies' and then 're-clarifies' everything '. . . there's light @ the end of this tunnel' the Berkeley Feed exclaims :>] ____________ BOINC Wiki . . .Science Status Page . . . | |
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i have a question about seti mybee it is dumb but, one of the things you always need is hard drives. why does seti not use peoples spare hd space the same as they use spare prossecor time? or do they? there is alot of spare hd space. i have two 20 gig drives in my machine i do not even use. i know 20gig is a drop in the bucket but 20 gig times all your users? | |
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i have a question about seti mybee it is dumb but, one of the things you always need is hard drives. why does seti not use peoples spare hd space the same as they use spare prossecor time? or do they? there is alot of spare hd space. i have two 20 gig drives in my machine i do not even use. i know 20gig is a drop in the bucket but 20 gig times all your users? That is an application of Boinc that has been talked about a few times. I guess it is rather low priority compared to other development focus. Then again... If anyone can put some code together... With checks/security for data integrity and so on... Welcome to the forums. Try a look in on "Number Crunching". Keep searchin, Martin ____________ Mandriva Linux A user friendly OS! See new freedom Mageia2 The Future is what We make IT (GPLv3) | |
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i have a question about seti mybee it is dumb but, one of the things you always need is hard drives. why does seti not use peoples spare hd space the same as they use spare prossecor time? or do they? there is alot of spare hd space. i have two 20 gig drives in my machine i do not even use. i know 20gig is a drop in the bucket but 20 gig times all your users? I personally, would NEVER allow ANYONE access to my hard drives for ANY reason. You would be seriously asking for trouble. What a ridiculous idea! It's obvious why it would be a 'low priority'. ____________ | |
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i have a question about seti mybee it is dumb but, one of the things you always need is hard drives. why does seti not use peoples spare hd space the same as they use spare prossecor time? or do they? there is alot of spare hd space. i have two 20 gig drives in my machine i do not even use. i know 20gig is a drop in the bucket but 20 gig times all your users? ____________ BOINC Wiki . . .Science Status Page . . . | |
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i have a question about seti mybee it is dumb but, one of the things you always need is hard drives. why does seti not use peoples spare hd space the same as they use spare prossecor time? or do they? there is alot of spare hd space. i have two 20 gig drives in my machine i do not even use. i know 20gig is a drop in the bucket but 20 gig times all your users? Just to throw my 2 cents in with the other replies...it would take a significant amount of bandwidth to transfer the files to users' systems plus the possibility of data loss (user quits, system dies, etc.) makes it just not worth the attempt. | |
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You already are alowing them acsess to your hard drive to run there software. what do you think you download and upload. do you think that just goes into thin air? think b4 you talk | |
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you could use double or triple redundant saves. and require a connection of atleast 5mps conection speed | |
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I personally, would NEVER allow ANYONE access to my hard drives for ANY reason. You would be seriously asking for trouble. What a ridiculous idea! ... Do you run on a Windows OS & use proprietary software? Ever read the "EULA"s? (My understanding is that Microsoft users agree to Microsoft doing anything it wishes with your system and your files/data and all with utter impunity. It is well reported that Microsoft takes details of all the software on your system, and likely other details...) Good first post! Welcome to the forums, Keep searchin', Martin ____________ Mandriva Linux A user friendly OS! See new freedom Mageia2 The Future is what We make IT (GPLv3) | |
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i have a question about seti mybee it is dumb but, one of the things you always need is hard drives. why does seti not use peoples spare hd space the same as they use spare prossecor time? or do they? there is alot of spare hd space. i have two 20 gig drives in my machine i do not even use. i know 20gig is a drop in the bucket but 20 gig times all your users? User's hard drives wouldn't be suitable for most of the project's needs simply because there are delays involved with internet transfers. It would be impossible to have the active databases distributed to users, for instance. The difference between lab computers interconnected with gigabit ethernet and what can be done over the internet is huge. As offsite storage of backup records, user's disk space could be a good idea. It would be another BOINC application, of the non compute intensive kind. Data could be delivered to hosts like a 10 MB or larger workunit, the application would simply report at intervals by trickle-up that it still had the data and be given a small amount of credit. From time to time the project might tell the host it no longer needed that data, and send some newer data to replace it. Then if the project ever needed that backup data it would be sent back and some more credit given. The same data would be given to several hosts, maybe with geographic diversity ensured by checking the host offset from GMT time. That kind of distributed offsite backup should be very robust. Still, it would be an additional load on the limited internet bandwidth the project has available, additional work for the project servers, and significant work for the staff to develop. Joe | |
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Mostly as a pre-emptive strike against any claims that Microsoft evilly and maliciously changed something on a users' system or accessed something proprietary. Of course, once they grant themselves that right, it certainly removes one barrier to evilly and maliciously changing something on a users' system. ____________ | |
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i have a question about seti mybee it is dumb but, one of the things you always need is hard drives. why does seti not use peoples spare hd space the same as they use spare prossecor time? or do they? there is alot of spare hd space. i have two 20 gig drives in my machine i do not even use. i know 20gig is a drop in the bucket but 20 gig times all your users? I'm w/Randy on this one, could cause more trouble than it's worth. Not to mention people getting upset over rac scores if one of my gerbils died and did'nt validate someone else's work. ____________ Nobody is nobody. Everyone has something to offer | |
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I personally, would NEVER allow ANYONE access to my hard drives for ANY reason. You would be seriously asking for trouble. What a ridiculous idea! It's obvious why it would be a 'low priority'.] You already gave "access" to your hard drive. Or where do you think SETI WUs and apps are stored while you process them? Where else other than the hard disk could that be? ____________ Contribute to the Wiki! | |
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