Correct. However, "if you look at the 60+ year record of debt since the end of WWII, starting with Truman’s term, the difference between the two parties’ contributions to our national debt level change considerably. Since 1946, Democratic presidents increased the national debt an average of only 3.2% per year. The Republican presidents stay at an average increase of 9.2% per year. Republican Presidents out borrowed and spent Democratic presidents by a three to one ratio. Putting that in very real terms; for every dollar a Democratic president has raised the national debt in the past 63 years Republican presidents have raised the debt by $2.84."

"In 1993 President Clinton inherited the deficit spending problem and did more than just talk about it; he fixed it. In his first two years, with a cooperative Democratic Congress, he set the course for the best economy this country has ever experienced. Then he worked with what could be characterized as the most hostile Congress in history, led by Republicans for the last six years of his administration. Yet, under constant personal attacks from the right, he still managed to get the growth of the debt down to 0.32% (one third of one percent) his last year in office. Had his policies been followed for one more year the debt would have been reduced for the first time since the Kennedy administration. Contrary to the myth fostered by our right-wing friends, under a Democrat, revenue increased and spending decreased."

Regardless of whether the analysis is true, it's just more evidence of never-ceasing gov't spending. Regardless of the political party, the gov't always just manages to spend more than it takes in and adds to the debt. Sure, the ratio between the political party of the person in power may vary, but that doesn't have any real bearing because it is dependent on so many things, general interest rates, the state of the economy, how much Social Security revenue is being taken from people, et cetera.

Clinton's "policies" well, that's misleading at best. It's easy to check the U.S. Treasury to see that there was never a surplus of any sort, Clinton just sort of moved around the way the total gov't debt was accounted for, paying down public debt, while intergovernmental holdings debt skyrocketed. That's easy to do during a good economy, much harder to do during a bad economy.

But the point remains: they all spend to much, they all add to the debt, their "cuts" (given current services budgeting) are not cuts at all, and they all spend us into the ground. Given the myriad of other factors that come into play, worrying about which party spends us into the ground at little bit more or less than the other is just partisan politics.

Because they all spend us into the ground.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

yes it has, do not let Republicans run white house or senate etc, or you end up bigger and bigger debt.

Here's a bar graph lifted from the link provided by rebest.
It is figure 3... the link is a good read. Thanks

Seems clear enough to me.

Here's a bar graph lifted from the link provided by rebest.
It is figure 3... the link is a good read. Thanks

Seems clear enough to me.

And it highlights my point: they all spend to much, they all add to the debt, their "cuts" (given current services budgeting) are not cuts at all, and they all spend us into the ground. Given the myriad of other factors that come into play, worrying about which party spends us into the ground at little bit more or less than the other is just partisan politics.

Assuming the numbers are correct, the gov't while Nixon was president spent 21% more than Johnson, the gov't while Ford was president spent 22% more than Nixon, the gov't while Carter was president spent 13 % more than Nixon, the gov't while Reagan was president spent 25% more than Carter, the gov't while 41 was president spent 18 percent more than Reagan, the gov't while Clinton was president spent 9 percent more than 41, and the gov't while Dubya was president spent 25 percent more than Clinton. Obie is already on track to blow Dubya out of the water. Surprise, surprise. But even if he doesn't, he will spend more.

As I said, the ratios between the political party of the president at the time may vary, but that doesn't have any real bearing because it is dependent on so many things, general interest rates, the state of the economy, total population, revenue, foreign investment, how much Social Security revenue is being taken from people, et cetera.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

Here's a bar graph lifted from the link provided by rebest.
It is figure 3... the link is a good read. Thanks

Seems clear enough to me.

Your friend Obie just raised govrnment spending by over 8% ! Both parties are at fault for this one, but it still should not have been signed into law.

Goes against the republican held belief that they are the party of responsible spending and that the democrats are the party of wasteful spending.

Seems that all of the evidence indicates that this belief is just another right wing lie that is told so often it becomes the truth in the minds of the population at large.

The right wing, neo-con, free marketeers and corporatists seem to have based their whole existence and philosophy on a lie.

It's like shooting fish in a barrel. All I have to do is make a bunch of idiotic statements without any thought, reasoning, or analysis at all.

I sezes it, soes it gotsta be troo!

Goes against the republican held belief that they are the party of responsible spending and that the democrats are the party of wasteful spending.

Seems that all of the evidence indicates that this belief is just another right wing lie that is told so often it becomes the truth in the minds of the population at large.

The right wing, neo-con, free marketeers and corporatists seem to have based their whole existence and philosophy on a lie.

"Goes against the Democrat held belief that they are the party of responsible spending and that the Rebuplican are the party of wasteful spending.

"Seems that all of the evidence indicates that this belief is just another left wing lie that is told so often it becomes the truth in the minds of the population at large.

"The left-wing, pinko, communists and socialists seem to have based their whole existence and philosophy on a lie."

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

I always know when I've hit something you have no answer to... I get responses like this.

You're as easy to read as an Archies comic. Wanna play poker sometime?

I always know when I've hit something you have no answer to... I get responses like this.

It's not that I don't have an answer. I'm just demonstrating the stupidity of such statements. None of those things are true simply because you happen to state them. They're just stupidity.

I could just as easily do as some rocket scientists do and just say "yourwrong" as the entire post. And, if your statements are true because you said them, then my statement is true because I said it, and hence, you are wrong. See how that works?

But the statements are just stupidity because as generalizations, they can be applied to anyone. As you noted with the chart you posted, both sides are the parties of never-ending spending. Neither side is the party of responsible spending.

They just spend. Endlessly. Incessantly.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

It's like shooting fish in a barrel. All I have to do is make a bunch of idiotic statements without any thought, reasoning, or analysis at all.

I sezes it, soes it gotsta be troo!

Goes against the republican held belief that they are the party of responsible spending and that the democrats are the party of wasteful spending.

Seems that all of the evidence indicates that this belief is just another right wing lie that is told so often it becomes the truth in the minds of the population at large.

The right wing, neo-con, free marketeers and corporatists seem to have based their whole existence and philosophy on a lie.

"Goes against the Democrat held belief that they are the party of responsible spending and that the Rebuplican are the party of wasteful spending.

"Seems that all of the evidence indicates that this belief is just another left wing lie that is told so often it becomes the truth in the minds of the population at large.

"The left-wing, pinko, communists and socialists seem to have based their whole existence and philosophy on a lie."

Didn't look at that graph did you. so much for an honest debate. and I agree. when you find you have no answer you change your line of thinking, don't reply, or call your debate partners ideas stupid. Honestly you don't really debate with us. I have repeatedly asked you to provide an opposing argument that isn't written by someone else. I'd like YOUR opinion not some Neocon's. Heck it's always pleasant to debate when your answers are well thought out and can be debated. By just poopooing others ideas and interpretations leads one to believe you either are unfamiliar with the material. or don't really believe the manifesto's. Either way its not very sporting to take shots at people. I'm a Moderate and in no way a Pinko or a Commie. I am also not a corporatist or fascist. I believe balance wins the day every time. extremists like communists and libertarians are just that extremists. For any country or people to get anything done takes moderation.
Fascism, Nazism, communism all have their fatal flaw. They are extreme forms of gov't that are exclusionary. FOr a gov't to work it takes all people.

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope