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Message 904593 - Posted: 7 Jun 2009, 0:08:57 UTC - in response to Message 904334.

Vettel is on pole for tomorrows race in istanbul.
In front of both brawnies Button and Barichello.


Won't really matter, everyone knows Raikkonen is gonna win!

Seriously though, I'm glad to see Ferrari and the other teams are becoming more competitive as the season progresses. The Brawn dominance this year is quite surprising. I still maintain Button is overrated but he did win Monaco so I may have to change my tune a bit.

It would be great to see Vettel win the Turkey GP.

As a side note, am I in the minority by thinking that the new qualifying format they started a few of years ago is not as good as it was previously? I mean, before qualifying was about running individually to see which car had the best setup and which driver could do a "perfect" lap to prove this - those results were then used to set the starting grid. The new format introduces too many variables to make this sort of determination. Why race three mini-races to determine the grid? The purity is lost for me; it was the one aspect of the sport where car and driver and team were put to the test in a more controlled environment for comparison purposes. Just curious about what others think about this...
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Message 904693 - Posted: 7 Jun 2009, 9:00:58 UTC - in response to Message 904593.
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I agree but the Formula 1 boss wants more competition because it increases TV audience, which is the modern "golden calf".
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Message 904696 - Posted: 7 Jun 2009, 9:17:23 UTC - in response to Message 904693.

I agree but the Formula 1 boss wants more competition because it increases TV audience, which is the modern "golden calf".
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Not only so tullio.
The old qualifying format was just burning out gas.
In those times Mosley wanted to give a sign.

I like the new format.

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Message 904717 - Posted: 7 Jun 2009, 9:55:39 UTC


BMW and Red Bull also uses the double diffusers now.

Would you bet how many places the cars with KERS can do at the start.
I also think Ferrari will stop later than the cars on the top 3.

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Message 904815 - Posted: 7 Jun 2009, 15:05:52 UTC
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Turkey F1 race

Button takes Turkey, one hand on the title?


GP Istanbul

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05/06- Free 1 10:00
05/06- Free 2 14:00
06/06- Free 3 11:00
06/06- Qualif 14:00
07/06- Race 15:00
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Drivers & Teams
Standings 2009
Race results

J.BUTTON
M.WEBBER
S.VETTEL
J.TRULLI
N.ROSBERG

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Message 904819 - Posted: 7 Jun 2009, 15:14:03 UTC


The brawnies are way too fast.
Jenson Button says in the conferences he was shocked about the speed of the car.
He told Webber he could get turn 7 with full speed.
Webber just said what????

But enough races left.
But for me i enjoyed his win.
Very sympathic natural guy.

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Message 904825 - Posted: 7 Jun 2009, 15:28:11 UTC - in response to Message 904819.


The brawnies are way too fast.
Jenson Button says in the conferences he was shocked about the speed of the car.
He told Webber he could get turn 7 with full speed.
Webber just said what????

But enough races left.
But for me i enjoyed his win.
Very sympathic natural guy.



Are the Diffusers making that much of A difference? or is it the fact they have their car set up better for the F1 race tracks?
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Message 904834 - Posted: 7 Jun 2009, 15:48:43 UTC - in response to Message 904825.


The brawnies are way too fast.
Jenson Button says in the conferences he was shocked about the speed of the car.
He told Webber he could get turn 7 with full speed.
Webber just said what????

But enough races left.
But for me i enjoyed his win.
Very sympathic natural guy.



Are the Diffusers making that much of A difference? or is it the fact they have their car set up better for the F1 race tracks?


Well thats the hole package.
When you see Button driving behind a car when using KERS there is not much difference.
The complete car is designed that way.
Its not giving improvements just to put the diffusers on it.

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Message 904837 - Posted: 7 Jun 2009, 15:51:10 UTC - in response to Message 904834.


The brawnies are way too fast.
Jenson Button says in the conferences he was shocked about the speed of the car.
He told Webber he could get turn 7 with full speed.
Webber just said what????

But enough races left.
But for me i enjoyed his win.
Very sympathic natural guy.



Are the Diffusers making that much of A difference? or is it the fact they have their car set up better for the F1 race tracks?


Well thats the hole package.
When you see Button driving behind a car when using KERS there is not much difference.
The complete car is designed that way.
Its not giving improvements just to put the diffusers on it.


So it the combination of Kers+Diffusers+track setup = Wins :o)

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Message 904843 - Posted: 7 Jun 2009, 15:54:19 UTC - in response to Message 904837.


The brawnies are way too fast.
Jenson Button says in the conferences he was shocked about the speed of the car.
He told Webber he could get turn 7 with full speed.
Webber just said what????

But enough races left.
But for me i enjoyed his win.
Very sympathic natural guy.



Are the Diffusers making that much of A difference? or is it the fact they have their car set up better for the F1 race tracks?


Well thats the hole package.
When you see Button driving behind a car when using KERS there is not much difference.
The complete car is designed that way.
Its not giving improvements just to put the diffusers on it.


So it the combination of Kers+Diffusers+track setup = Wins :o)


The Brawns dont need KERS.
Its only useful when the dsign fits.
KERS makes a slow car a little faster.
The biggest problem of KERS is the weight and therefor the ballance of the car.


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Message 904850 - Posted: 7 Jun 2009, 16:12:09 UTC - in response to Message 904843.
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The brawnies are way too fast.
Jenson Button says in the conferences he was shocked about the speed of the car.
He told Webber he could get turn 7 with full speed.
Webber just said what????

But enough races left.
But for me i enjoyed his win.
Very sympathic natural guy.



Are the Diffusers making that much of A difference? or is it the fact they have their car set up better for the F1 race tracks?


Well thats the hole package.
When you see Button driving behind a car when using KERS there is not much difference.
The complete car is designed that way.
Its not giving improvements just to put the diffusers on it.


So it the combination of Kers+Diffusers+track setup = Wins :o)


The Brawns dont need KERS.
Its only useful when the dsign fits.
KERS makes a slow car a little faster.
The biggest problem of KERS is the weight and therefor the ballance of the car.



My understanding their are Three types of Kers one being mechanical, one being electrical and the thris one being hydraulic recovery system To save weight on the car using the electrical version would be better.
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Message 904859 - Posted: 7 Jun 2009, 16:22:18 UTC

Weight by it’s self is not the issue. It's weight distribution. There is a minimum weight that all cars are required to have. All of the teams use ballast to achieve the minimum weight. By using KERS you end up using less ballast. I think is just plain that Ross Brawn is some sort of genius. Remember, he was leading Ferrari when Ferrari was so completely dominate. It was not just Shumacher, it was Brawn/Shumacher that made the team what is was.
Oh and thanks for the info on the race. It’s time delayed in California. Will not be on for another 2.5 hours .

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Message 904871 - Posted: 7 Jun 2009, 17:13:55 UTC - in response to Message 904859.

Weight by it’s self is not the issue. It's weight distribution. There is a minimum weight that all cars are required to have. All of the teams use ballast to achieve the minimum weight. By using KERS you end up using less ballast. I think is just plain that Ross Brawn is some sort of genius. Remember, he was leading Ferrari when Ferrari was so completely dominate. It was not just Shumacher, it was Brawn/Shumacher that made the team what is was.
Oh and thanks for the info on the race. It’s time delayed in California. Will not be on for another 2.5 hours .


Yes agreed Carlos.
Its allways a good mix of good car and good driver.
But like i´ve said the problem with KERS is more the ballance of the car.
Without it you can place a pound here and a pound there.
With KERS you have 30 kilograms on one place.
So you have to to save weight on other places.

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Message 906604 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 13:13:50 UTC

24 Hours at Le Mans

http://www.lemans.org/24heuresdumans/pages/accueil_gb.html

Peugeot and Sarrazin on pole for third time in a row

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Message 906852 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 19:55:12 UTC - in response to Message 906604.

24 Hours at Le Mans

http://www.lemans.org/24heuresdumans/pages/accueil_gb.html

Peugeot and Sarrazin on pole for third time in a row

... :)

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Did Peugeot fix their over heating issue that plague them last year?
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Message 906853 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 19:58:52 UTC


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Message 906886 - Posted: 12 Jun 2009, 20:50:40 UTC

The Peugeot are fast but 24 Hours is a Race for Audi :)

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Message 908938 - Posted: 18 Jun 2009, 21:44:50 UTC - in response to Message 906886.

The Peugeot are fast but 24 Hours is a Race for Audi :)

Greetings from Germany NRW
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Hmmm. I think the result was Peugeot 1st and 2nd, Audi 3rd....



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Message 908972 - Posted: 18 Jun 2009, 23:24:18 UTC - in response to Message 908938.

The Peugeot are fast but 24 Hours is a Race for Audi :)

Greetings from Germany NRW
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Hmmm. I think the result was Peugeot 1st and 2nd, Audi 3rd....



He posted before the outcome was known. So there's a little egg on his face now. But that's ok, I always say Ferrari is going to win the next F1 race. Sooner or later they will prove me right. (I hope.)
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Message 909162 - Posted: 19 Jun 2009, 14:32:10 UTC

The Formula One Teams' Association announced on Thursday night that it is setting up a breakaway championship.


FOTA teams to launch breakaway series
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