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Message 898571 - Posted: 23 May 2009, 7:21:00 UTC - in response to Message 898387.


Matthew you know the funny part of it.

Ross Brawn asked the FIA about it before he built the car.
Thats the case Ferrari is mad at him.

He is way to clever.



Mike I am sure if the Ferrari was the first to ask then it would be okay.

Is Ferrari still going to boycott the FIA in 2010?


Yes, but not only Ferrari.
Also BMW and Mc Laren thinking about it.

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Message 898620 - Posted: 23 May 2009, 12:37:31 UTC - in response to Message 898571.


Matthew you know the funny part of it.

Ross Brawn asked the FIA about it before he built the car.
Thats the case Ferrari is mad at him.

He is way to clever.



Mike I am sure if the Ferrari was the first to ask then it would be okay.

Is Ferrari still going to boycott the FIA in 2010?


Yes, but not only Ferrari.
Also BMW and Mc Laren thinking about it.



From what I read about this ban it is all about spending caps. The amount of money A team can spend in A given year. Would't keeping A even playing field keep the sport competitive?
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Message 898634 - Posted: 23 May 2009, 13:29:43 UTC

Jenson Button and Kimi Raikkonen are first and second on the starting line in Monaco.
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Message 898635 - Posted: 23 May 2009, 13:35:24 UTC - in response to Message 898634.

Jenson Button and Kimi Raikkonen are first and second on the starting line in Monaco.
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I like it! Looks like Ferrari has finally started catching up with the Brawn. What is really amazing is less than 1/10th of a second between 1st all the way down to 8th. Jenson beat Kimi by just 2/100ths. That is close.

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Message 898665 - Posted: 23 May 2009, 15:09:09 UTC - in response to Message 898635.

Jenson Button and Kimi Raikkonen are first and second on the starting line in Monaco.
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I like it! Looks like Ferrari has finally started catching up with the Brawn. What is really amazing is less than 1/10th of a second between 1st all the way down to 8th. Jenson beat Kimi by just 2/100ths. That is close.



Well lets see if Ferrari can keep it close in the next none street course.
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Message 898680 - Posted: 23 May 2009, 16:22:04 UTC - in response to Message 898665.

Jenson Button and Kimi Raikkonen are first and second on the starting line in Monaco.
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I like it! Looks like Ferrari has finally started catching up with the Brawn. What is really amazing is less than 1/10th of a second between 1st all the way down to 8th. Jenson beat Kimi by just 2/100ths. That is close.



Well lets see if Ferrari can keep it close in the next none street course.


They´ve shown us allready.
Without the tactical mistake Raikonnen would be under the top three in the last race.

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Message 898682 - Posted: 23 May 2009, 16:28:07 UTC - in response to Message 898680.

Jenson Button and Kimi Raikkonen are first and second on the starting line in Monaco.
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I like it! Looks like Ferrari has finally started catching up with the Brawn. What is really amazing is less than 1/10th of a second between 1st all the way down to 8th. Jenson beat Kimi by just 2/100ths. That is close.



Well lets see if Ferrari can keep it close in the next none street course.


They´ve shown us allready.
Without the tactical mistake Raikonnen would be under the top three in the last race.


It will be interesting to see if Raikonnen keeps up his A game all season :o)
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Message 898704 - Posted: 23 May 2009, 17:26:22 UTC - in response to Message 898682.


It will be interesting to see if Raikonnen keeps up his A game all season :o)

Even more interesting to see whether "the rest" can catch Button/Braun. Its about time Button has a good car under him. Too bad about Hamilton's dismal year I was rooting for him to repeat. Ferrari can thank the Kimster for whatever they can get.

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Message 898805 - Posted: 23 May 2009, 23:40:11 UTC - in response to Message 898704.


It will be interesting to see if Raikonnen keeps up his A game all season :o)

Even more interesting to see whether "the rest" can catch Button/Braun. Its about time Button has a good car under him. Too bad about Hamilton's dismal year I was rooting for him to repeat. Ferrari can thank the Kimster for whatever they can get.


Wait a minute, what about Masa. He could have gotten a podium last race if they had filled his tank.

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Message 898893 - Posted: 24 May 2009, 7:04:29 UTC - in response to Message 898805.


It will be interesting to see if Raikonnen keeps up his A game all season :o)

Even more interesting to see whether "the rest" can catch Button/Braun. Its about time Button has a good car under him. Too bad about Hamilton's dismal year I was rooting for him to repeat. Ferrari can thank the Kimster for whatever they can get.


Wait a minute, what about Masa. He could have gotten a podium last race if they had filled his tank.


You are right Carlos, it was a shame.

BTW Red Bull now have the double diffusers also.


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Message 898966 - Posted: 24 May 2009, 14:32:39 UTC


Jenson Button won again.
Second Baricello in front of Raikonnen and Massa.

Ferrari is doing much better.
Could get interesting in Istanbul.

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Message 898990 - Posted: 24 May 2009, 15:55:30 UTC - in response to Message 898966.


Jenson Button won again.
Second Baricello in front of Raikonnen and Massa.

Ferrari is doing much better.
Could get interesting in Istanbul.


Did not get to see the race where did Hamilton end up at 15th?

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Message 899008 - Posted: 24 May 2009, 16:29:45 UTC

1 Jenson Button Brawn-Mercedes
2 Rubens Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes
3 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari
4 Felipe Massa Ferrari
5 Mark Webber RBR-Renault
6 Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota
7 Fernando Alonso Renault
8 Sebastien Bourdais STR-Ferrari
9 Giancarlo Fisichella Force India-Mercedes
10 Timo Glock Toyota
11 Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber
12 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes
13 Jarno Trulli Toyota
14 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes
15 Kazuki Nakajima Williams-Toyota
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Message 899015 - Posted: 24 May 2009, 16:39:20 UTC

Did all teams using the Mercedes receive the same quality engine?
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Message 899097 - Posted: 24 May 2009, 20:25:28 UTC - in response to Message 899015.

Did all teams using the Mercedes receive the same quality engine?

Offically they are. Un-offically is anyone's guess. But it would be hard to cheat on this issue. The teams were required to submit 1 sample engine at the start of the season to the FIA. The FIA can then test the engine you are running (at any time) againt the sample to see if you have made any changes. Only 1 sample Mercedes engine was submitted for all of the teams running it. So it should be the same engine. [note: Ferrari teams get last year's engine].

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Message 899196 - Posted: 25 May 2009, 1:24:04 UTC - in response to Message 899097.

Did all teams using the Mercedes receive the same quality engine?

Offically they are. Un-offically is anyone's guess. But it would be hard to cheat on this issue. The teams were required to submit 1 sample engine at the start of the season to the FIA. The FIA can then test the engine you are running (at any time) againt the sample to see if you have made any changes. Only 1 sample Mercedes engine was submitted for all of the teams running it. So it should be the same engine. [note: Ferrari teams get last year's engine].


It is interesting how one team is winning most of the races while the other team is is not winning while using the same engine design.
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Message 899203 - Posted: 25 May 2009, 1:50:32 UTC - in response to Message 899196.

Did all teams using the Mercedes receive the same quality engine?

Offically they are. Un-offically is anyone's guess. But it would be hard to cheat on this issue. The teams were required to submit 1 sample engine at the start of the season to the FIA. The FIA can then test the engine you are running (at any time) againt the sample to see if you have made any changes. Only 1 sample Mercedes engine was submitted for all of the teams running it. So it should be the same engine. [note: Ferrari teams get last year's engine].


It is interesting how one team is winning most of the races while the other team is is not winning while using the same engine design.


It not a horse power thing. It's traction and drag. Ferrari has more horsepower than any of the engines (only about 10hp), but they have not been able to use it. There was one year when BMW had over 70 HP more than any of the other teams, but it didn't help.

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Message 899212 - Posted: 25 May 2009, 2:35:04 UTC - in response to Message 899203.

Did all teams using the Mercedes receive the same quality engine?

Offically they are. Un-offically is anyone's guess. But it would be hard to cheat on this issue. The teams were required to submit 1 sample engine at the start of the season to the FIA. The FIA can then test the engine you are running (at any time) againt the sample to see if you have made any changes. Only 1 sample Mercedes engine was submitted for all of the teams running it. So it should be the same engine. [note: Ferrari teams get last year's engine].


It is interesting how one team is winning most of the races while the other team is is not winning while using the same engine design.


It not a horse power thing. It's traction and drag. Ferrari has more horsepower than any of the engines (only about 10hp), but they have not been able to use it. There was one year when BMW had over 70 HP more than any of the other teams, but it didn't help.



I have noticed this year the front wing is longer than last years front wing. It will be interesting how far the F1 teams will modify the rear Diffuser to achieve more down force. I see most teams do not use KERS does really had that much weight to the car or is the cost the factor?
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Message 899247 - Posted: 25 May 2009, 5:05:29 UTC - in response to Message 899212.

The dimensions of the wings are dictated by the FIA. What you do within the dictated dimensions are pretty much up to you.
As far as KERS goes weight is not a big issue. There is a minimum weight and the cars actually carry ballast to bring them up to the minimum. The factors that the teams have to consider are: Cost, safety and reliability. Notice that only the high budget teams have KERS. What it has cost to develop I don’t know, but it’s been in the millions. There are two ways to achieve kinetic energy storage. Mechanical and electrical. Mechanical generally involves the use of a flywheel. However, the rotational forces of a flywheel tend to resist changes in direction. So they are not a good choice for F1 cars. I understand that Williams is working on one, but all of the others have gone electrical. If you recall electrical theory, the higher the voltage the less energy is lost in storage and transmission. As a result the KERS systems use very high voltages. I have not been able to determine how high, but I know it is sufficiently high that it could kill someone if it shorts out. I forgot which team but one team lost several men when a system malfunctions during off season testing. The last issue is reliability. This is new technology, each of the teams that have KERS have had failures. In Spain Kim’s system failed after only a few laps. McLaren’s systems have had several failures.
The natural result is that most of teams are waiting to see if KERS really gives a competitive advantage before spending the millions required to develop one of their own. So far I have not see a great benefit. In Spain I saw it used to defend and In Monaco I saw Hamilton use it to pass the slower cars. However, once he caught up with the faster cars it did not seem to help. Bottom line, the jury is still out.

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Message 904334 - Posted: 6 Jun 2009, 12:43:15 UTC
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Vettel is on pole for tomorrows race in istanbul.
In front of both brawnies Button and Barichello.
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