Since September 2004 i am crunching for Seti, but i have to admit that i am getting upset about it quite often.

Since a couple of days my machines are running almost dry and i barely get new work on the regular bases.

After studing the forum, i believe that this is a well known issue that is persident in that project for ages. but no one really seemt to even try to fix it.

This is not a senseless complaint, but i have deceidet to let my machines finish all workunits in queue and then leave Seti for the following reasons:

We are all volunteers here, but regarding the "no work avaiable" issue those in charge here seem to be a bit ignorant.

I also believe that maintaining a steady workflow is a responsibility of those in charge here, but they even fail doing that. When people complain about it, they will be either ignored or insulted by others here in the community. in so far i believe the best way to show how much i do disagree with such kind of operation, is to leave that project, and join other projects with a more matured infrastructure and better conditions as have i been seen in here in the last 2 yrs.


Ohh by the way, i am not a native english speaker, so if u will find wrong grammar or spellings, you are authorized to keep them.

;-)

I am right there with you. Time and time again I run out of work. I find myself getting mad and frustrated that I can not get work. Right now even, for a week now I can not get any work from any of the Seti projects for one of my machines.
I find myself checking the stats, and all the computers that I can pass on the stats page and have fun seeing how many I can pass. when I run out of work, my computer starts to loose ground. that's when I get upset and mad.
I don't understand why Seti would start additional projects like AP or Cuda when they can not keep what they have already running?
I have to remind myself that this is not a race, or points, or whatever.
I have been with Seti since 2000, there has been quit a few times of great frustration with the project, like the switch to Boinc.
I just have to remind myself why I joined Seti to begin with.

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Since September 2004 i am crunching for Seti, but i have to admit that i am getting upset about it quite often.

Since a couple of days my machines are running almost dry and i barely get new work on the regular bases.

After studing the forum, i believe that this is a well known issue that is persident in that project for ages. but no one really seemt to even try to fix it.

This is not a senseless complaint, but i have deceidet to let my machines finish all workunits in queue and then leave Seti for the following reasons:

We are all volunteers here, but regarding the "no work avaiable" issue those in charge here seem to be a bit ignorant.

I also believe that maintaining a steady workflow is a responsibility of those in charge here, but they even fail doing that. When people complain about it, they will be either ignored or insulted by others here in the community. in so far i believe the best way to show how much i do disagree with such kind of operation, is to leave that project, and join other projects with a more matured infrastructure and better conditions as have i been seen in here in the last 2 yrs.


Ohh by the way, i am not a native english speaker, so if u will find wrong grammar or spellings, you are authorized to keep them.

;-)

I am right there with you. Time and time again I run out of work. I find myself getting mad and frustrated that I can not get work. Right now even, for a week now I can not get any work from any of the Seti projects for one of my machines.
I find myself checking the stats, and all the computers that I can pass on the stats page and have fun seeing how many I can pass. when I run out of work, my computer starts to loose ground. that's when I get upset and mad.
I don't understand why Seti would start additional projects like AP or Cuda when they can not keep what they have already running?
I have to remind myself that this is not a race, or points, or whatever.
I have been with Seti since 2000, there has been quit a few times of great frustration with the project, like the switch to Boinc.
I just have to remind myself why I joined Seti to begin with.

Shall we ask questions (like your "connect every 'x' days") setting? It may be possible to adjust your settings and keep a steady supply of ready work.

Your AstroPulse and Cuda questions have answers too.

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Since September 2004 i am crunching for Seti, but i have to admit that i am getting upset about it quite often.

Since a couple of days my machines are running almost dry and i barely get new work on the regular bases.

After studing the forum, i believe that this is a well known issue that is persident in that project for ages. but no one really seemt to even try to fix it.

This is not a senseless complaint, but i have deceidet to let my machines finish all workunits in queue and then leave Seti for the following reasons:

We are all volunteers here, but regarding the "no work avaiable" issue those in charge here seem to be a bit ignorant.

I also believe that maintaining a steady workflow is a responsibility of those in charge here, but they even fail doing that. When people complain about it, they will be either ignored or insulted by others here in the community. in so far i believe the best way to show how much i do disagree with such kind of operation, is to leave that project, and join other projects with a more matured infrastructure and better conditions as have i been seen in here in the last 2 yrs.


Ohh by the way, i am not a native english speaker, so if u will find wrong grammar or spellings, you are authorized to keep them.

;-)

I am right there with you. Time and time again I run out of work. I find myself getting mad and frustrated that I can not get work. Right now even, for a week now I can not get any work from any of the Seti projects for one of my machines.
I find myself checking the stats, and all the computers that I can pass on the stats page and have fun seeing how many I can pass. when I run out of work, my computer starts to loose ground. that's when I get upset and mad.
I don't understand why Seti would start additional projects like AP or Cuda when they can not keep what they have already running?
I have to remind myself that this is not a race, or points, or whatever.
I have been with Seti since 2000, there has been quit a few times of great frustration with the project, like the switch to Boinc.
I just have to remind myself why I joined Seti to begin with.

Shall we ask questions (like your "connect every 'x' days") setting? It may be possible to adjust your settings and keep a steady supply of ready work.

Your AstroPulse and Cuda questions have answers too.

My setting are 10 days and 10 additional days, I have had to set it like this due to frequent outages, I have to admit that this is the first time I have run out of work since using the 10,10 settings.

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Since September 2004 i am crunching for Seti, but i have to admit that i am getting upset about it quite often.

Since a couple of days my machines are running almost dry and i barely get new work on the regular bases.

After studing the forum, i believe that this is a well known issue that is persident in that project for ages. but no one really seemt to even try to fix it.

This is not a senseless complaint, but i have deceidet to let my machines finish all workunits in queue and then leave Seti for the following reasons:

We are all volunteers here, but regarding the "no work avaiable" issue those in charge here seem to be a bit ignorant.

I also believe that maintaining a steady workflow is a responsibility of those in charge here, but they even fail doing that. When people complain about it, they will be either ignored or insulted by others here in the community. in so far i believe the best way to show how much i do disagree with such kind of operation, is to leave that project, and join other projects with a more matured infrastructure and better conditions as have i been seen in here in the last 2 yrs.


Ohh by the way, i am not a native english speaker, so if u will find wrong grammar or spellings, you are authorized to keep them.

;-)

I am right there with you. Time and time again I run out of work. I find myself getting mad and frustrated that I can not get work. Right now even, for a week now I can not get any work from any of the Seti projects for one of my machines.
I find myself checking the stats, and all the computers that I can pass on the stats page and have fun seeing how many I can pass. when I run out of work, my computer starts to loose ground. that's when I get upset and mad.
I don't understand why Seti would start additional projects like AP or Cuda when they can not keep what they have already running?
I have to remind myself that this is not a race, or points, or whatever.
I have been with Seti since 2000, there has been quit a few times of great frustration with the project, like the switch to Boinc.
I just have to remind myself why I joined Seti to begin with.

Shall we ask questions (like your "connect every 'x' days") setting? It may be possible to adjust your settings and keep a steady supply of ready work.

Your AstroPulse and Cuda questions have answers too.

My setting are 10 days and 10 additional days, I have had to set it like this due to frequent outages, I have to admit that this is the first time I have run out of work since using the 10,10 settings.

which pc is out of work? According to your computer summary page, they all have work still. I do notice though on this pc you haven't returned any results for the work already assigned since Feb 4.

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Shall we ask questions (like your "connect every 'x' days") setting? It may be possible to adjust your settings and keep a steady supply of ready work.

Your AstroPulse and Cuda questions have answers too.
My setting are 10 days and 10 additional days, I have had to set it like this due to frequent outages, I have to admit that this is the first time I have run out of work since using the 10,10 settings.
which pc is out of work? According to your computer summary page, they all have work still. I do notice though on this pc you haven't returned any results for the work already assigned since Feb 4.

This computer only has cuda only, 4 cores dry.

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This computer only has cuda only, 4 cores dry.

Ok, well there's not much AP work according to the server status page. I'm not sure how accurate that is since all my pc's that do AP have an app info file that prevent me from getting AP 5.03, so I'm not sure how many of those are available.

You do seem to belong to several other projects, so you could occupy the cores with other projects. You could also try Raistmers app to curnch CUDA MB as well as CPU MB with the AK_v8 AMD app but then you wouldn't get the new AP 5.03.

Edit grammer and link

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This computer only has cuda only, 4 cores dry.

Ok, well there's not much AP work according to the server status page. I'm not sure how accurate that is since all my pc's that do AP have an app info file that prevent me from getting AP 5.03, so I'm not sure how many of those are available.

You do seem to belong to several other projects, so you could occupy the cores with other projects. You could also try Raistmers app to curnch CUDA MB as well as CPU MB with the AK_v8 AMD app but then you wouldn't get the new AP 5.03.

Edit grammer

I did not realize that ap is at ver 503, my appinfo file is set to apv500r103.
also, I am running CUDA MB with the AK_v8 and apv500r103.
this is my appinfo:
<app_info>
<app>
<name>setiathome_enhanced</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>AK_v8_win_x64_SSE3.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
<version_num>603</version_num>
<file_ref>
<file_name>AK_v8_win_x64_SSE3.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>

<app>
<name>astropulse</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>ap_5.00r103_SSE3.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>astropulse</app_name>
<version_num>500</version_num>
<file_ref>
<file_name>ap_5.00r103_SSE3.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
<app>
<name>setiathome_enhanced</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>setiathome_6.08_windows_intelx86__cuda.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<file_info>
<name>cudart.dll</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<file_info>
<name>cufft.dll</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<file_info>
<name>libfftw3f-3-1-1a_upx.dll</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
<version_num>608</version_num>
<plan_class>cuda</plan_class>
<avg_ncpus>0.114729</avg_ncpus>
<max_ncpus>0.114729</max_ncpus>
<coproc>
<type>CUDA</type>
<count>1</count>
</coproc>
<file_ref>
<file_name>setiathome_6.08_windows_intelx86__cuda.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
<file_ref>
<file_name>cudart.dll</file_name>
</file_ref>
<file_ref>
<file_name>cufft.dll</file_name>
</file_ref>
<file_ref>
<file_name>libfftw3f-3-1-1a_upx.dll</file_name>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
</app_info>

You need to have the one from Raistmers thread with the AK_v8 GPU and CPU team exe for AMD and app info file instead to do MB with the cpu and gpu.

Edit grammer, again

Edit: should also mention you can't do AP version 5.03 by putting it into the app info file.

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You need to have the one from Raistmers thread with the AK_v8 GPU and CPU team exe for AMD and app info file instead to do MB with the cpu and gpu.

Edit grammer, again

Edit: should also mention you can't do AP version 5.03 by putting it into the app info file.

I have disabled my appinfo for now, to find out if I can get any work.

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I also know that blame doesn't have to have a malicious feeling associated with it, but that's the only examples you've used. There are other ways people come to the conclusion in this type of circumstance (in my opinion) other than blaming SETI, my previous example being one.

I think you may have misread or misunderstood my later examples. I don't believe I've only been using malicious examples. My examples have primarily focused on a non-malicious blame of SETI, but you're right, they could very well blame something else as well, but we don't know unless they post here and say so. Some people have too. There have been a few people that have made threads stating that they have to leave because they can't afford to crunch anymore. Indirectly they blame SETI and directly they blame the economy. They decide that SETI has to go instead of cutting something else in their life (if they actually have anything else to cut - I wouldn't know). Not that I'm saying that SETI has to be the last to go, just that it depends on one's own priorities. I've had to cut back myself due to costs, otherwise I'd love to have all 20 machines or so crunching instead of sitting in my basement.

All we can do is try to discuss with the ones that come here and share their frustration in hopes of either having them change their mind, or at least not going away mad so that they might consider coming back. Even if they feel angered by the apparent argumentative discussion, perhaps when they calm down they might admit to themselves that there was some truth in what they read.

In another scenario the person might feel bad or even ashamed they feel the have to quit SETI.

True, but in those cases, they will not usually post angry messages on the forum. They will usually post regretful messages.

Or maybe you'd buy a car that got better gas mileage than the previous car and still be able to drive everywhere. There's lots of scenarios that don't involve blaming someone or something. Sure the effects have a bearing on the outcome, but cold also be just a reaction to a circumstance, such as coming to the realization it was more expensive than the person realized.

...but if I buy a new car and I'm still able to drive everywhere, I wouldn't be making cutbacks and I wouldn't be forced to stop traveling, which is out of the scope of the discussion of why people leave/stop doing whatever.

...and I still think to the contrary, you do not stop doing something unless you begin to rationalize to yourself as to why you should stop, and during the rationalization process, people go looking for blame, malicious or non-malicious. Either way, it is blame on someone or something. Otherwise, if we cannot find blame, we cannot rationalize a reason to stop and we look elsewhere instead.

Even the realization of running SETI costing more than they realize is still a form of blame. At that point they can no longer rationalize or justify running the project and they choose to leave. Its ultimately their choice, whether its malicious or not; whether their rationalization is objective or not, it doesn't matter.

I think the problem is that you keep reading my examples of pointing out how its blame as me turning it malicious, which I am not. I am merely pointing out that when we decide to axe something, we have to make a decision, and we have to rationalize until we find the one thing (or things) we put the most blame on and then make our choice.

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Or you can just blame Misfit and let it go at that.

<-- You must obey. Resistance is futile.

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me@rescam.org

I think the problem is that you keep reading my examples of pointing out how its blame as me turning it malicious, which I am not. I am merely pointing out that when we decide to axe something, we have to make a decision, and we have to rationalize until we find the one thing (or things) we put the most blame on and then make our choice.

It could be that, or my problem with the word blame in general, which indicates an ego is involved. Blaming external "forces" such as the electric company or Seti could be a way of defending one's own ego. Blamings others is a way of not taking personal responsibility for one's own action. Taking responsibility means you have the power to change it, rather some other external thing or someone.

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Yes, running 3 AP v5 5.03 WU's right now. Checked update status, everything seems in order. According to tech advice, these are not supposed to work w/out latest ware installed. Maybe there's something in that radar pulse causing the system to become bitstipated. Having a challenge uploading results at the moment. Noticed that the AP's on the faster cores run out at 42 hours and on the slower Core 2 are rated at 115 hours! Time to replace the 6 mo old Core 2 Duo with a faster Quad and a liquid nitro chiller. BTW, all those running tech support please accept my thanks for being able to keep such a large system up and running. I run a small business net and have faith that the day will come when I can utilize software apps and run the business rather than focus on beta testing for Microsoft.

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It could be that, or my problem with the word blame in general, which indicates an ego is involved.

Sometimes, but not always. It really depends on how they're laying the blame, and sometimes why.

Blaming external "forces" such as the electric company or Seti could be a way of defending one's own ego. Blamings others is a way of not taking personal responsibility for one's own action. Taking responsibility means you have the power to change it, rather some other external thing or someone.

Blaming is a fault-finding technique. Its the how and why that distinguish it from not taking responsibility or finding responsibility.

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Since September 2004 i am crunching for Seti, but i have to admit that i am getting upset about it quite often.

Since a couple of days my machines are running almost dry and i barely get new work on the regular bases.

After studing the forum, i believe that this is a well known issue that is persident in that project for ages. but no one really seemt to even try to fix it.

This is not a senseless complaint, but i have deceidet to let my machines finish all workunits in queue and then leave Seti for the following reasons:

We are all volunteers here, but regarding the "no work avaiable" issue those in charge here seem to be a bit ignorant.

I also believe that maintaining a steady workflow is a responsibility of those in charge here, but they even fail doing that. When people complain about it, they will be either ignored or insulted by others here in the community. in so far i believe the best way to show how much i do disagree with such kind of operation, is to leave that project, and join other projects with a more matured infrastructure and better conditions as have i been seen in here in the last 2 yrs.


Ohh by the way, i am not a native english speaker, so if u will find wrong grammar or spellings, you are authorized to keep them.

;-)

Two weeks ago I also stopped crunching for Seti because of the electricity bill, but I started again in a smaller way.
You want to stop because of the fact there is no work. I experience this my self also. This has been like this before. I then started to also crunch for Rosetta@home. When Seti came back with enough WU's I stopped getting Rosetta's WU's and fully concentrated again on Seti. Now I re-started Rosetta so the computer is doing something good in the background when I do something else in the foreground.
My advise is to join another project and keep crunching. There are a lot of projects which can use your computer power. Don't stop completely just because at this moment Seti is running dry.

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DeMus

I've always thought it a testament of Boinc spirit the sheer number of dedicated die-hard crunchers the project with the most long term unreliable work fetch of them all...LHC

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"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not Eureka! (I found it!) but rather, 'hmm... that's funny...'" -- Isaac Asimov

But there's also a lot of supporters who don't like the overly anxious people who get upset over a fictitious system that has no actual bearing on anyone's lives here.

The latter half of this sentence contradicts itself. If people get upset over something, then this "something" has a bearing on them - their getting upset. If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences.

It has often been stated (by myself, too, I think) that credits can't buy you anything in the real world. That's not true. They can "buy" you some sort of reputation among your peers, they can "buy" a brush-up of your ego. (If they couldn't, the credit system wouldn't have been introduced in the first place.) But your peers and your reputation do exist in the "real world", and so does your ego (unfortunately, sometimes).

I have to admit, you are right about that. I do like credits, but also like the science behind it, that why I do crunch for LHC, too.

I do think, most of the 'crunchers', have been out of work, for some time, due to whatever reason, for example: if you mess up 400 WU's, because you OC'ed your host beyond it's capability, you also are out of work. But then the reason is clear. And probably no one would complain ;)
I have been out work may times, but mostly for a short period, like 6- 12 hours.

(And what about finding a signal/sign of Extra Terrestrial Intelligence, what would happen to SETI (and BOINC)?
Would the Military/CIA/FBI and 'others' jump right on it and take over, for the sake off human safety, or something like it?
Very unlikely or just real?
Maybe far fetched, since there is still no evidence of E.T.I.)

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Shall we ask questions (like your "connect every 'x' days") setting? It may be possible to adjust your settings and keep a steady supply of ready work.

Your AstroPulse and Cuda questions have answers too.

My setting are 10 days and 10 additional days, I have had to set it like this due to frequent outages, I have to admit that this is the first time I have run out of work since using the 10,10 settings.

As others have pointed out, you're running optimized applications.

The APP_INFO.XML file describes to SETI what you can do, and SETI offers that kind of work only. The project is not allowed to send you updated applications or work that you can't crunch.

It's unfortunate that we started with "SETI is broken" and then found that you weren't getting work because of dated applications.

Optimized applications are great, but when you switch to them you take on the responsibility of keeping them current.

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(And what about finding a signal/sign of Extra Terrestrial Intelligence, what would happen to SETI (and BOINC)?
Would the Military/CIA/FBI and 'others' jump right on it and take over, for the sake off human safety, or something like it?
Very unlikely or just real?
Maybe far fetched, since there is still no evidence of E.T.I.)

Would they come after all our machines or just the poor stiff that actually found the signal?? Anybody got any extra tinfoil? I don't like the looks of that black helicopter over there!

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