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Looks like "Astropulse V5" was finally released yesterday night. As far as I know so far, so good - work is going out, results are being validated. However, it seems like jocelyn (the master mysql database server) had a long period of mysterious pain over night, and recovered on its own this morning. This happens from time to time on our mysql servers, perhaps due to its own nebulous data scrubbing, or perhaps due to lack of memory which is becoming more a problem as the database continues to grow and less of it fits in RAM. Unless anybody out there has a couple Sun-qualified 2GB DIMMs that work in Sun v40z's kicking around, we're going to purchase a few. Currently the system has 28GB of RAM - 12 slots with 2GB DIMMs, the remaining 4 with 1GB. We hope to at least upgrade those four to 2GB. It is unclear whether or not our version of the v40z can take 4GB DIMMs (and go over 32GB total). | |
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Ok, I see. | |
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Hey, | |
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Sun hardware site says v40z can be populated to 64 GB | |
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Sun hardware site says v40z can be populated to 64 GB As Matt stated: It is unclear whether or not our version of the v40z can take 4GB DIMMs (and go over 32GB total). There are different versions of the V40z server, some that come with an additional RAM card, or a newer chipset that supports higher density RAM. This Kingston link seems to explain some of the differences. Note that Kingston is only selling a 4GB pair (2x2GB modules) @ $574. ____________ | |
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When it encounter hardware or software blanking bit ON and does some data substitution (no matter will it be white noise or smth more clever) it put info about changed region of data into WU header too. Good idea, but I can think of one reason *not* to do this. Because of the nature of the radar, the bounces, the echoes, the periodicity, etc. we are toggling the blanking bit every 6000 samples, roughly. That's once every .002 seconds, and it's very random in nature. So to accurately depict the radar blanking info within the headers of a ~107 second workunit, we need to inflate each workunit by 200K, which will increase our bandwidth by 33%. These are rough numbers but you get the idea. - Matt ____________ -- BOINC/SETI@home network/web/science/development person -- "Any idiot can have a good idea. What is hard is to do it." - Jeanne-Claude | |
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When it encounter hardware or software blanking bit ON and does some data substitution (no matter will it be white noise or smth more clever) it put info about changed region of data into WU header too. For S@H Enhanced the 1024*1024 two-bit samples take 256K, sending one-bit blanking reduced to the same sample rate and similarly packed would take 128K. However, the highest time resolution used for analysis is 1/8 the sample rate so the blanking info could be further reduced by a factor of 8 and only need 16K packed. Rewriting the application to make use of that info wouldn't be trivial, though. For Astropulse, the internal blanking code works on 32K sample data chunks, because of 50% overlap there are 2047 of those in an AP WU. As few as 256 bytes of additional data could represent the external blanking. In that form it would be easy to merge with the internal blanking. In both cases, the reduced blanking data would need a threshold of some sort. For instance, if three 6000 sample parts of a 32K Astropulse data chunk had been replaced it might or might not be worth looking for signals in that data. Just musing here. I agree fully with Raistmer that it's better to analyze the real data thoroughly and skip as much of the waste processing of inserted random data as possible. Joe | |
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I keep getting "project has no jobs available" when requesting work and then a http error. Server status is showing 102,953 results ready to send. | |
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See entry on home page. Server problem. | |
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Again me being too fast at typing, I saw that after I hit send. | |
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For S@H Enhanced the 1024*1024 two-bit samples take 256K, sending one-bit blanking reduced to the same sample rate and similarly packed would take 128K. However, the highest time resolution used for analysis is 1/8 the sample rate so the blanking info could be further reduced by a factor of 8 and only need 16K packed. Rewriting the application to make use of that info wouldn't be trivial, though. Right.. This was a quick calculation and I messed up byte/bit conversion so I was off by a factor of 8. But that was just one reason - you pointed out another - the rewriting of the application (and the splitter for that matter). Forgive my half-understanding here, as the nitty-gritty math details elude me (they keeps getting paged out for a zillion other details). But (a) injecting anything by the right shaped noise during radar blanking periods causes hard-to-identify "edge effects," (b) if we don't insert noise we'll be obliterated with radar in every workunit, and (c) if we simply "skip" the radar periods, we can't do any gaussian searching (which requires contiguous time domain), maybe not even pulse searching given the nature of fast folding. I cannot stress how much data is being blitzed by radar - we're randomizing about 10-15% of the data, once every 0.002 seconds is a blanking period lasting about 0.00025 seconds. This all said, other people around here could give you a clearer idea/argument why we're using whatever methods we're using to deal with radar - I'm just working on finding the stuff and telling everybody where it is - the hard part being that radar quite often doesn't pass any obvious threshold, so I have to lock on to known patterns when they do pass threshold and then interpolate. - Matt ____________ -- BOINC/SETI@home network/web/science/development person -- "Any idiot can have a good idea. What is hard is to do it." - Jeanne-Claude | |
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Quick Question: Is the AstroPulse_v5 (5.03) application's work hooked up to the preferences 'Receive Work for AstroPulse' tickbox ? I don't seem to get any except for in blobs of cuda multibeam work when enabling 'Receive work for other applications'. [Incidentally, swamped with cuda work, and CPUs going cold] | |
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Quick Question: Is the AstroPulse_v5 (5.03) application's work hooked up to the preferences 'Receive Work for AstroPulse' tickbox ? I don't seem to get any except for in blobs of cuda multibeam work when enabling 'Receive work for other applications'. [Incidentally, swamped with cuda work, and CPUs going cold] I've been wondering that, I've only got Astropulse selected, I have a three way app_info for setiathome_enhanced, astropulse and astropulse_v5, but the only astropulse i have received are AP 5.00 resends. Claggy | |
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Since AstroPulse v5.03 (astropulse_v5) was released as a new application, and since AP v5.03 WUs are incompatible with the older APP, anyone running an optimized application specifying AP WUs for v5 will only get work for the older AP - of which there is only reissues at this point. | |
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...In order to get new AP v5.03 work, you have to either use the stock app or wait for the official release of a AP v5.03 compatible optimized app with the appropriate app_info.xml file. Correct, which is the one I'm trying to test (including relevant app_info). Being swamped with Cuda work and no way to specify AstroPulse only but still get v5.03 (along with v5.00 old resends), is one factor delaying the release. (Aside from waiting for validation confirmation of the ones that have been received and processed already.) [Nevermind, pulling multibeam out of the app_info altogether for testing purposes seems to do the trick.] Jason ____________ "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change." Charles Darwin | |
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a) "right" shape is questionable by itself. New AP 5.03 tasks (for example) give very high overlowed exit ratio still (sampling too small still though, maybe just weird deviation). b) noise can be inserted by server or can be inserted by client (even less work for server maybe) if client will know what areas it should blank (as doing now in AP client blanking). c) sure we can't just skip some time areas w/o bad consequencies, but some of processing can be skipped. For example, doing single pulse search in "blanked" data meaningless from scientific point of view and wasteful from performance point of view. Maybe, another kinds of searching can be modified too for alternative accounting of damaged areas. Yes, this requires some modifications in splitter (perhaps) code, it should write some additional fields in task header. (Manual work, yes, but any optimization is mostly manual work ;) ). Regarding file size increase - if blanking area bigger than few time samples, compression could be used in form {index of area start,area size} so task size increase souldn't be too dramatical. | |
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In addition to the downloading problem, there now seems to be a problem uploading completed WU's to Berkeley... getting: | |
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In addition to the downloading problem, there now seems to be a problem uploading completed WU's to Berkeley... getting: Same for me. Uploading stopped working an hour ago or so... Sten-Arne | |
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Someone must have kicked something as the uploads are all working fine on this end. | |
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