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Message 839987 - Posted: 14 Dec 2008, 20:37:10 UTC

Hi everybody,

Sorry for presumably stupid question, but where can I find some information about current status and results of SETI project?

I tried to find them through "About SETI@home" page and links it contains, but I managed to find only a few quite old comments dated 2003-2004...

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Message 840062 - Posted: 15 Dec 2008, 0:53:26 UTC - in response to Message 839987.

Hi everybody,

Sorry for presumably stupid question, but where can I find some information about current status and results of SETI project?

I tried to find them through "About SETI@home" page and links it contains, but I managed to find only a few quite old comments dated 2003-2004...


That sounds about right...

See First Signs of the NTPCkr for what's being worked on.

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Message 840479 - Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 6:29:11 UTC - in response to Message 840062.

Hi everybody,

Sorry for presumably stupid question, but where can I find some information about current status and results of SETI project?

I tried to find them through "About SETI@home" page and links it contains, but I managed to find only a few quite old comments dated 2003-2004...


That sounds about right...

See First Signs of the NTPCkr for what's being worked on.

Thread locked. I guess there's your answer.
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Message 840538 - Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 10:50:40 UTC - in response to Message 840479.
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Hi everybody,

Sorry for presumably stupid question, but where can I find some information about current status and results of SETI project?

I tried to find them through "About SETI@home" page and links it contains, but I managed to find only a few quite old comments dated 2003-2004...


That sounds about right...

See First Signs of the NTPCkr for what's being worked on.

Thread locked. I guess there's your answer.


????? Locked???? Not at the moment. Stickied yes, locked no.

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Message 840694 - Posted: 17 Dec 2008, 2:12:12 UTC - in response to Message 840538.

Hi everybody,

Sorry for presumably stupid question, but where can I find some information about current status and results of SETI project?

I tried to find them through "About SETI@home" page and links it contains, but I managed to find only a few quite old comments dated 2003-2004...

That sounds about right...

See First Signs of the NTPCkr for what's being worked on.

Thread locked. I guess there's your answer.

????? Locked???? Not at the moment. Stickied yes, locked no.

Wow I didn't have the posting buttons displayed when I looked yesterday. Maybe the page didn't load correctly, or I was too impatient and left before it was finished loading. Meh - why not lock it since it's not getting updated by "the team".
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Message 842562 - Posted: 20 Dec 2008, 15:06:58 UTC

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Message 843048 - Posted: 21 Dec 2008, 14:21:38 UTC

You see... really situation is a bit strange for me.

Millions of PCs crunch billions of workunits. In each workunit we find spikes, triplets, gaussians. But what happens then? Does somebody analyzes those results? Where are sky maps colored depending on density of "potentially artificial signals", lists of "areas of interest" and other clues for ultimate question of the project - does ETI exist and where it hides if so?

Now we have only crunching for crunching. Or crunching for senseless credits. Without any scientific consequences except some new experience in distributed computing systems.

Of course I understand that SETI us long-term project. But even in long-term projects it is expected that intermediate results should be reported at regular schedule, for example annually. Especially if the project involves not only a few scientists but also a couple of millions people doing significant part of the job...

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Message 869147 - Posted: 25 Feb 2009, 0:26:31 UTC - in response to Message 843048.
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You see... really situation is a bit strange for me.

Millions of PCs crunch billions of workunits. In each workunit we find spikes, triplets, gaussians. But what happens then? Does somebody analyzes those results? Where are sky maps colored depending on density of "potentially artificial signals", lists of "areas of interest" and other clues for ultimate question of the project - does ETI exist and where it hides if so?

Now we have only crunching for crunching. Or crunching for senseless credits. Without any scientific consequences except some new experience in distributed computing systems.

Of course I understand that SETI us long-term project. But even in long-term projects it is expected that intermediate results should be reported at regular schedule, for example annually. Especially if the project involves not only a few scientists but also a couple of millions people doing significant part of the job...


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Message 869758 - Posted: 26 Feb 2009, 19:00:07 UTC
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I totally agree with Grey Shadow and Barbereau.
In the past with seti classics there was some webpages with information, best workunit and statistics...

Sorry for my bad english :D

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Message 869862 - Posted: 27 Feb 2009, 0:32:11 UTC - in response to Message 869758.

I totally agree with Grey Shadow and Barbereau.
In the past with seti classics there was some webpages with information, best workunit and statistics...

Sorry for my bad english :D


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Message 869920 - Posted: 27 Feb 2009, 4:07:12 UTC

Only BoinclogX and SetiMapWiew for results and statistics today and they don't work with Astopluse

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Message 872801 - Posted: 6 Mar 2009, 10:51:49 UTC - in response to Message 839987.

I wrote about this in a similar spirit a while ago, but there was no follow up.

SETI@home has many more users donating their computing time then ever before, the project has made many advancements and most importantly, computing power over those years has increased MASSIVELY. According to BOINCstats the project now averages around 500 teraflops. Which easily makes it one of the most powerful computing projects in the world.

As you can see a lot of work has been done since 2004, but also you will notice progress is accelerating.



It's only reasonable then that the community and the project has made significant progress over the years at racking up potential radio sources. Much more so then leading up to the investigation in 2004.

Could it be time for another investigation? Like the one in 2004.

I hope so. Or maybe the team has other plans for all the data. Or maybe they look at it another way, ruling out the need for follow up investigation of sources.

The search for life is going to be a long one, no doubt about that, but shouldn't we take some time like we did in 2004 to investigate any potential candidates?

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Message 872860 - Posted: 6 Mar 2009, 14:02:36 UTC - in response to Message 872801.


. . . Thanks BM [others take note of the BOLDED]

I wrote about this in a similar spirit a while ago, but there was no follow up.

SETI@home has many more users donating their computing time then ever before, the project has made many advancements and most importantly, computing power over those years has increased MASSIVELY. According to BOINCstats the project now averages around 500 teraflops. Which easily makes it one of the most powerful computing projects in the world.

As you can see a lot of work has been done since 2004, but also you will notice progress is accelerating.



It's only reasonable then that the community and the project has made significant progress over the years at racking up potential radio sources. Much more so then leading up to the investigation in 2004.

Could it be time for another investigation? Like the one in 2004.

I hope so. Or maybe the team has other plans for all the data. Or maybe they look at it another way, ruling out the need for follow up investigation of sources.

The search for life is going to be a long one, no doubt about that, but shouldn't we take some time like we did in 2004 to investigate any potential candidates?



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Message 873549 - Posted: 7 Mar 2009, 23:14:29 UTC - in response to Message 872860.
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Well yeh a quick calculation (a very optimistic calculation) shows that the SETI@home project processes 635 times the amount of data it did in 2004. And that number is *per month*!!

It seems to someone who has been doing sah since its inception that the project has become self propagating without any plans for analysis of the results. Members donate more and more CPU time so the project managers add and troubleshoot more hardware so they can serve more workunits... so we can donate more CPU time.

Thats not a bad thing. The NTPCKR project seems to be the closest thing at the moment on the future plans page http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_plans.php for this kind of analysis.

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Message 897694 - Posted: 21 May 2009, 9:11:33 UTC

I think some sort of periodic report on analysis work being done on returned results would be in order.


  • 1. Even if those reports are mere confirmations of terrestrial origin, we like to see it too.
  • 2. Type of signal, signal strength, time & date of signal, etc. Yeah, hit us with those numbers.
  • 3. Also, give us the statistics of people working on the project, lead scientist on duty, so forth.


Not too much to ask is it? Considering that almost 1 million users are contributing their CPU cycles to SETI@home. Five times more than the number of the next competing project. Don't you think we volunteers deserves at least some kind of periodic report for work done on the project?
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Message 897814 - Posted: 21 May 2009, 16:48:42 UTC

Seti hasn't found anything yet. No extraterrestrial civilizations. It may take may orders of magnitude more workunits to increase to a reasonable percentage the possibility of finding anything. We have to be pointed at the aliens, they have to be pointed at us, and both operating at the same time and frequency. And, the sensitivity must be very high. That takes a very narrow beam and bandwidth. Odds are awfully great.
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Message 898020 - Posted: 22 May 2009, 2:32:52 UTC - in response to Message 897814.
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Seti hasn't found anything yet. No extraterrestrial civilizations.


We know that. What we or rather I am asking is whether it is possible for the project team to come up with a periodic report on work done from our returned results. Even if no ET signal is found. Is that too much to ask?
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Message 899225 - Posted: 25 May 2009, 3:20:06 UTC - in response to Message 897694.

Not too much to ask is it?


Could be. They barely have enough time now as it is, putting out server fires, trying to code and test new changes to the program, writing papers for Berkeley, trying to get assistance from anyone who can help keep the project alive, trying to coordinate efforts with other projects and BOINC, and I'm sure a whole slew of other work that needs to be tended to.

Its not like they have a whole bunch of free time on their hands just waiting for the next set of server problems.

Considering that almost 1 million users are contributing their CPU cycles to SETI@home. Five times more than the number of the next competing project.


You may want to check your numbers. Last I saw, SETI@Home only had about 150,000 active participants (or was that 350,000?). Still, it could be considered a lot of people, but they all freely do this of their own volition.

Don't you think we volunteers deserves at least some kind of periodic report for work done on the project?


"Deserve" is such a strong word. It implies a quid pro quo for joining that wasn't previously agreed upon by both parties, and it suggests that somehow after donating one's power, one can start making demands.

There's nothing wrong with the suggestion on the surface, and I'm sure the project would love to be able to give everything that is asked from it, and they know very well that people donate their electricity to the cause and pay for it out of their own pockets - but don't get angry or upset when they simply can't comply for various unsaid reasons.

Personally, even though such a suggestion would be nice to have, if I had to choose, I'd rather the Admins be working on advancing the software and getting funding than to be giving us periodic updates.
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Message 899751 - Posted: 26 May 2009, 15:47:28 UTC - in response to Message 899225.
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"Deserve" is such a strong word. It implies a quid pro quo for joining that wasn't previously agreed upon by both parties, and it suggests that somehow after donating one's power, one can start making demands.

There's nothing wrong with the suggestion on the surface, and I'm sure the project would love to be able to give everything that is asked from it, and they know very well that people donate their electricity to the cause and pay for it out of their own pockets - but don't get angry or upset when they simply can't comply for various unsaid reasons.

Personally, even though such a suggestion would be nice to have, if I had to choose, I'd rather the Admins be working on advancing the software and getting funding than to be giving us periodic updates.


No. I don't think "deserve" is such a strong word. "Mandatory" would be a stronger word. I can not believe no report at all is ever compiled on which signals have been processed and assessed by someone. If there is no such report then how does SETI@home operate? But if I think the team is at least more organized than me, then there has got to be reports of some sort on the project. Is it so hard to put that report online so that CPU cycle volunteers can appreciate what is being done to their returned work? It is not like we are asking something more than they are already doing.

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Message 899905 - Posted: 27 May 2009, 3:13:56 UTC - in response to Message 899751.

"Deserve" is such a strong word. It implies a quid pro quo for joining that wasn't previously agreed upon by both parties, and it suggests that somehow after donating one's power, one can start making demands.

There's nothing wrong with the suggestion on the surface, and I'm sure the project would love to be able to give everything that is asked from it, and they know very well that people donate their electricity to the cause and pay for it out of their own pockets - but don't get angry or upset when they simply can't comply for various unsaid reasons.

Personally, even though such a suggestion would be nice to have, if I had to choose, I'd rather the Admins be working on advancing the software and getting funding than to be giving us periodic updates.


No. I don't think "deserve" is such a strong word. "Mandatory" would be a stronger word.


Yes, "mandatory" would be a stronger word, but I still feel that "deserve" is something that implies the aforementioned quid pro quo. Its my personal philosophy that nobody "derserves" anything other than what fate, if there is such a thing, hands out to them. "Deserve" seems to suggest a sort of self-entitlement or belonging, which I completely disagree with. I'm a minimalist who believes that the only thing people "deserve" is to live a happy, peaceful life without others forcing them to do something against their own will.

I can not believe no report at all is ever compiled on which signals have been processed and assessed by someone. If there is no such report then how does SETI@home operate? But if I think the team is at least more organized than me, then there has got to be reports of some sort on the project. Is it so hard to put that report online so that CPU cycle volunteers can appreciate what is being done to their returned work? It is not like we are asking something more than they are already doing.


We're only in the data-collecting phase. All that's happening right now with your work is its being collected into the Master Science Database for later analysis. Most people don't provide reports until the analysis phase of the available data. This is why finishing the NTPCKr is so important, because it will start showing some of the most "potential" candidates, and I put "potential" in quotes because it would need to be analyzed first, and then re-observed if it is deemed sufficient to do so.

Here is the BOINC Stats; BOINCstats


Hmm... something seems wrong here. Unless we've added over 600,000 participants in the last two or three years, I'm not sure how we're up to 967,000 users, unless those are not active users but a running total of how many user accounts, then that would be more believable.
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