This wuwu crediting system was a big deal durring beta testing almost weekly postings on credits could be seen. People were optimistic that the people from seti would fix this lowsy crediting system that they had well here we are version after version problems after problems and the crediting of wuwu sucks.

Doesn't bother me any ... :)

WUWU?

Seems Everette Dobbins is unhappy with the Credit System, actually I think they should just reset every bodys Credits back to 0 once a month, now that would really give Everette something to Whine about ... :)

> Seems Everette Dobbins is unhappy with the Credit System, actually I think
> they should just reset every bodys Credits back to 0 once a month, now that
> would really give Everette something to Whine about ... :)
>
>


I am so in on that on PoorBoy........... Credits be damned!!!!
My name is Pascal and this message has no meaning, but still has my approval...

It is 10 oclock, do you know what your WUWUs are doing tonight...

> Seems Everette Dobbins is unhappy with the Credit System, actually I think
> they should just reset every bodys Credits back to 0 once a month, now that
> would really give Everette something to Whine about ... :)
>
>Well you know PoorGirl you dont know me and trust me I dont whine but I would agree to resetting back to 0 once a month if they could come up with a system that could track weekly But they cant do that now. But I have faith. Buy the way PoorGirl I have contributed alot of computing time to the Sety program and love doing Sety Classic and BOINC. But this whine craps is BS . The Credit system sucks. It was lousy in beta and it is lousy now. The credit system not working properly was the #1 post in beta. You want to do somthing useful join the planetary society. Please keep your insults to your self.

Ok Elvira, I take it your not into it for the Science then, just for the Credits to inflate your over blown Ego Trip ...???

> Ok Elvira, I take it your not into it for the Science then, just for the
> Credits to inflate your over blown Ego Trip ...???
>
>Well Poor Girl Im in it for the science and for the stats. Like I said join the planetary society and do somthing good for the sety program. If you were here right now I dont think your opinion of me would mean much. But your safe in the internet so write on. I will keep on crunchin. Its not an ego trip its an opinion and I support Sety. But the credit setup sucks.

Like I said join the planetary society
===========
I would Elvira but if thats all they do is whine about the Credits then no thank you ...

> Like I said join the planetary society
> ===========
> I would Elvira but if thats all they do is whine about the Credits then no
> thank you ...
>
>Yawn

Chill people.Have a wine or one bottle as I have just had.Seti is a free thing and I just enjoy running it.I do admit credits do mean something to me but I know seti are trying to fix things and work things out and know patience is a good thing.The same kind of thing happened when they first started seti classic too.Teething problems.Good things are worth waiting for.


......In Space No One Can Hear You Scream......

Everette:

Could you be a bit more specific as to how the credit system doesn't work?


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Basically most of us have been screwed big time regarding credits. I know it can take a few weeks to get credits through but i have returned around 150 units in the last few months and ok because of system failures on project servers i may have lost around 30 however i still only have about 2000 credits which is only credit for about 50 wu's so where have the rest went?

For some people getting credit is not some sort of competition but it is the only tangible evidence that your processed WU's have been received. If you don't get credit even after you have waited weeks for it is there still any point in processing WU's when you have no idea if they have been received or not.

I think some people need to think long and hard why they are taking part.

1) We all volunteered to supply CPU cycles. No one (as far as I am aware had their arm or any other part of their anatomy twisted).

2) Volunteers do not get paid at all. Somtimes they get a mention and a little credit but most of the time they do not.

3) If payment/recognition/credit is what you want then don't volunteer.

Why do people climb mountains? Because they are there. Very few get any recognition for doing so!!!

Sorry, I don't mean to insult anyone but it does get a little boring to see the same old gripe and lack of patience when patience plus a little understanding is all that is requred




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> which is only credit for about 50 wu's so where have the rest went?

Credits can't be computed until the results are returned to
the servers.

You want to know the main problem? It's people downloading
work units, but not returning results.

I started doing Boinc work again on September 17th after the
release of version 4.09.

I've witnessed the figures for work ready to process
and work in progress go up and down since that date.

I've taken small mouthfuls of work--maximum of 4 units
at a time. I've done the work and returned it.

The eight units I've returned will not qualify for credit
until other people do their work.

This is a user problem, not a Berkeley problem.

Each person who resets the client before units are
finished slows credit for other people.

Each person who detaches from the project before
units are finished slows credit for other people.

My advice is that everyone should just do the work.
No fidgeting. No detaching. No resetting.

> I think some people need to think long and hard why they are taking part.
>
> 1) We all volunteered to supply CPU cycles. No one (as far as I am aware had
> their arm or any other part of their anatomy twisted).
>
> 2) Volunteers do not get paid at all. Somtimes they get a mention and a little
> credit but most of the time they do not.
>
> 3) If payment/recognition/credit is what you want then don't volunteer.
>
> Why do people climb mountains? Because they are there. Very few get any
> recognition for doing so!!!
>
> Sorry, I don't mean to insult anyone but it does get a little boring to see
> the same old gripe and lack of patience when patience plus a little
> understanding is all that is requred
>
>
>

I think most of above posts went straight over your head David. Read again what i put in the post.
>
> [b][i]...only a fool never makes a mistake![b][i]
>

> > which is only credit for about 50 wu's so where have the rest went?
>
> Credits can't be computed until the results are returned to
> the servers.


Yes i realise that however even taking conderation all the variables you have listed a lot of results have still went missing.

> servers i may have lost around 30 however i still only have about 2000 credits
> which is only credit for about 50 wu's so where have the rest went?

I think you're asuming that you'll get the same amount of credit for every wu, but this is not the case. An example from LHC:

For one result my computer claimed 7.00 credit. An other computer claimed 3.52. The credit I got was 3.52. That's approx. 50% of what my client claimed.
For another result my computer claimed 7.11, a second claimed 3.68 and a third claied even more than mine, 7.45 - we got 3.68 - again about 50% of what my client claimed.
For a third result my computer claimed 6.69, another one claimed 7.59, a third claimed 6.56 - we got 6.56 - pretty close to what my client claimed.

My point is, the amount of credit awarded can vary very much.

Not only this. I turned in some results a long time ago for which I haven't yet got any credit. Some of them I'm the only one yet who has turned in a result. Some of them the wu has been sent out to many more than three as the results don't agree. And there are som result I got 0 credit for, as my result didn't agree with three others. At the moment I'm getting credit for the most recent results I've turned in.

Take all of these things, throw in some server-side problems and a huge backlog, and you'll probably have the answer to your credit/results turned in ratio ;)


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> Yes i realise that however even taking conderation all the
> variables you have listed a lot of results have still went missing.

Oh, your results are there. It's the _two_ matching results
needed for computation of credit that _aren't_ there.

Work in progress can shrink from 4 million units to
600,000 units, and credits still don't flow......
that screams massive expiration of work units to me.

Yes, I know that extrapolation from slight data is
dangerous, but I had one unit at LHC that took 37
seconds to process. Last I checked, credit was still
pending a day after being returned.

The problem with credits at SetiBoinc isn't the
work that's being done. The problem is the amount
of work that is not being done on time.

> I think most of above posts went straight over your head David. Read again
> what i put in the post.

No Ross the posts did not go over my head. You know from the messages tab in boinc whether a result has been uploaded or not. After that,well, if it disappears into a black hole then there is nothing anyone can do.

All I was saying is that it credits don't matter and that the same subject keeps coming up time and time again albeit in a different guise. (i.e. TURN ON PENDING CREDIT.) etc..

At the end of the day you may not get any credit for a particular WU.

I am sorry if I have offended anyone, that was not my intention. We are all entitled to our opinions, this just happens to be mine.

I am sure you will keep crunching Ross as will I and at the end of the day we will both have made small/big contribution to science.

Good luck

David


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