EU closes the 3 strike (translated by Google Translate)

European Parliament Says No to Three-Strikes Law

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"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

In the US 3 strikes means something very different.

I don't know what the EU 3 strike law is (I am reading now), but I don't like the one we have over here in the states. I have read too many stories about how it is misused. I understand the point of it, but still I do not like it.

http://www.facts1.com/ThreeStrikes/Stories/

Chris.

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I don't know what the EU 3 strike law is (I am reading now), but I don't like the one we have over here in the states. I have read too many stories about how it is misused. I understand the point of it, but still I do not like it.

http://www.facts1.com/ThreeStrikes/Stories/

Chris.

The three-strike law in this connection (anti-piracy, that is what this thread is about) means that if you get caught downloading from (illegal, according to the anti-piracy groups) filesharing sites three times, your internet connection will be closed by your ISP. The ISP's have protested, as they don't see it as their task to watch over what their customers do with their connection, and act as police and court to their customers. That's what the anti-piracy lobby wants, that the ISP's are the legislative power (making rules about what their customers do on the internet), the executing power (finding the customers who download torrents and other from filesharing sites, usually something requesting a court order), and the judicial power (punishing their customers by closing their internet connection). As the countries in Europe are ruled by democracy, and with this a tripartition of the power; it's the popularly elected members of the parliaments who make the laws, the police that investigate and bring cases to the court, and the court that convict people guilty, in case the sufficient amount of evidence have been presented; that three-strike law in regards of download from filesharing sites will be a severe break from what we here see as a democratic process. If the parliaments make rules about filesharing being illegal, even it's also sharing of legal material such as freeware and shareware and material given for free from the artists, then it's the police's tasks to investigate by watching over a person's behavior on the 'net, requiring a court order, and then it's in the court people should be convicted for breaking the laws.

So the three-strike law about filesharing, as the anti-piracy lobby want to have implemented, is a severe breach with that kind of democracy we live in here.

We don't have the three-strike laws as you have over there here. Here people are being convicted according to what they have done, of course earlier sentences will be looked at, if they are recent. If people have a suspended sentence, that time will be added to the new sentence. Else in most cases there is a statue of limitation on five years in the crime registers, so after five years people have a clean criminal file.

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"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

Hi Fuzzy glad to see you are still here. Hope you are well.

Personally I cannot use the terms "EU" and "democracy" in the same sentence. It is not democratic and nor does it aim to be. Any move by the EU to control any aspect on the Internet is a move to control what we can all say and do. In the UK we already have moves to capture every voice call, text message and email message on the basis an EU Directive says our Govt must. There will be no freedoms left soon here in EU land. We must soon choose if we want an EU and then what it should do and how it accounts. At the moment its doing as it wants when it wants - in secret!

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Hi Fuzzy glad to see you are still here. Hope you are well.

Personally I cannot use the terms "EU" and "democracy" in the same sentence. It is not democratic and nor does it aim to be. Any move by the EU to control any aspect on the Internet is a move to control what we can all say and do. In the UK we already have moves to capture every voice call, text message and email message on the basis an EU Directive says our Govt must. There will be no freedoms left soon here in EU land. We must soon choose if we want an EU and then what it should do and how it accounts. At the moment its doing as it wants when it wants - in secret!

Hey Tigher, nice to see you again. I'm doing fine, thank you for asking, I hope you are doing fine as well?

I referred to the European countries as democracies, it was the anti-piracy lobby at the EU parliament which tried to impose the Three-Strikes Law on us. Luckily they didn't succeed!

I was explaining the difference between what they know as the Three-Strike Law in the US of A, and what was referred to as the Three-Strikes Law in this context, file sharing. The mere principle of ordering the ISP's to annul the protection of the law we have in the tripartition of power in society, as we have in democracies here in Europe, is outrageous!

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"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

Yes I am good thanks Fuzzy and thanks for the welcome back.

I do take your point. I do think though the EU Parliament is not really very important and is a sop to make things look democratic-like. If the invisible rulers of Europe at the EC want to do this thing they will irrespective of the parliament, member states will have no say and democracy will again count for nothing.

My outrage is how a few shape the future of Europe without asking the many what they would want. Democracy is on a knife egde I feel.

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i disagree with you, europe is going to be better place for all

Yes I am good thanks Fuzzy and thanks for the welcome back.

I do take your point. I do think though the EU Parliament is not really very important and is a sop to make things look democratic-like. If the invisible rulers of Europe at the EC want to do this thing they will irrespective of the parliament, member states will have no say and democracy will again count for nothing.

My outrage is how a few shape the future of Europe without asking the many what they would want. Democracy is on a knife egde I feel.

Tigher, there are some other threads here on the Political board, where EU has been discussed. Maybe you would read through those?

As I see it it's inevitable that the EU parliament will get more power as the time goes by, that is in that direction Europe is heading in my opinion. But, as in the national parliaments, lobbyists will work more and better for their cases, and I'm afraid that they will, just as in the national parliaments, succeed increasingly. The elected members of the parliaments, both the national and the EU, are not always the sharpest knives in the drawer, being a politician doesn't mean that you are specially bright, just that you are a member of a party and get some votes from people who have no other options than voting for you. I am as apolitical as you can imagine, I think politicians are of the same breed and have the same greed for power, no matter what side of the political spectrum they come from, so in my opinion they are easy targets for well orchestrating lobbyists.

Right now I listen to the debate in the Danish parliament, there is a tv station, which broadcasts live from it every weekday, and the topics on the agenda today interests me, and my God, some of the members elected and sitting there, well paid and all, in the parliament are really not very bright! There are some very naive people sitting there on those seats! Ugh!

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"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me