I originally joined the beta test..and had similar problems..

now, 2 weeks after the first wus were downloaded, i am still at 0 credit. I have crunched through 20+ wu's and still nothing. I havent got a clue whats going on..have detached and attached numerous times, all the usual things..Theres no way to check if any credit is pending, and no way to check on completed wu's

next step is to uninstall and do some other form of distributed crunching. seti has far to many problems imho.

sorry for the moan..it is justified though..

Hello,
I think part of your problem is that you have been waiting for credit, and when it does not come in the timely manner that you expect, you either reset or detach and reattach. This actually prolongs you getting credits in a lot of ways. If you are crunching WU's that end in anything 3 and up, you are on the end line of processing so credit will usually show up in a few days. But during the times with the server down there were many people resetting their boxes which cause Wu's to be recycled and sent out again, thus prolonging the credit being issued. Just don't reset anymore, or detach anymore unless absolutely neccessary (ie: Total System Freeze, or all out of date WU's). Most back credits seemed to be pretty well caught up until the last Server problem over the weekend, ao they are probably Validating additional credits now.
Just have patience my friend, credits will come! We all have had to wait from time to time.

Have A Great Day And A Better Tomorrow!

Regards,

Rocky

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PS, Keep in mind also that everytime you Detach and Reattach, you get a new Host ID, so as credits start rolling in, you will find yourself mergeing some of your computers. Just look to the message boards if you need any assistance.

Just an observation....

From the SETI/BOINC home page, under your account, general preferences....

There is a setting that says "connect to project about every..."

If you set this to a high value, BOINC will download lots of work, but it won't report the work units for a long time.

If you set this short, you don't get as many work units, but they get reported more quickly.

You get credit when two other crunchers return matching results, so yeah, credits can take a while.

> I originally joined the beta test..and had similar problems..
>
> now, 2 weeks after the first wus were downloaded, i am still at 0 credit. I
> have crunched through 20+ wu's and still nothing. I havent got a clue whats
> going on..have detached and attached numerous times, all the usual
> things..Theres no way to check if any credit is pending, and no way to check
> on completed wu's
>
> next step is to uninstall and do some other form of distributed crunching.
> seti has far to many problems imho.
>
> sorry for the moan..it is justified though..

Yesterday I got 2000+ credits ...

But, for the "server" I reattached 2 weeks ago ... still no new credits...

I think they may still be 2 weeks (or so) behind.

EdwardPF

They have 3,000,000 work units in processing ... that includes all those issued and pending and those that have been completed and then reported. I know I got a little credit this week, but we are doing this for the science, credit is just frosting ...

We can live on cake with no frosting for quite a long time ...

Even if they did not have problems with the back end, you are still potentially looking ate nearly a month before you will start to see a very regular update in the bank balance. You have to process the WU and then two other people will have to do the same thing ... have you ever tried to get three different friends to pick a restaraunt? Without a 4 hour debate?

:)

Hang in there ... if you want quick gratiication, do LHC@Home, cp.net, or when they are back live and taking more participants, Predictor@Home.
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> I originally joined the beta test..and had similar problems..
>
> now, 2 weeks after the first wus were downloaded, i am still at 0 credit. I
> have crunched through 20+ wu's and still nothing. I havent got a clue whats
> going on..have detached and attached numerous times, all the usual
> things..Theres no way to check if any credit is pending, and no way to check
> on completed wu's
>
> next step is to uninstall and do some other form of distributed crunching.
> seti has far to many problems imho.
>
> sorry for the moan..it is justified though..
>

Oy. This song is getting old.

Here's why this happens. Someone sticky this so everyone will read it.

The credit validator has a queue. So all the returned WUs are standing in a line, waiting to be validated. For the sake of this example, let's pretend the validator runs through one WU per day, and has 20 WUs in the cache. So, it'll look something like this:

ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRST

Now, you join in the project, and you upload a WU. Now the cache looks like this:

ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTU

... where U represents your WU. Now, two weeks later, 14 WUs have been processed, and the cache looks like this:

OPQRSTUVWXYZABCDEFGH

So, 2 weeks into the project, you still haven't gotten any credit, but you get to read on the forums how everyone else is getting thousands of credits every day. However, notice that your WU is still in the cache, and getting closer to the front. Therefore, your credits will come, as soon as they're worked through the line. Not only that, they'll start coming on a regular basis since they started joining the queue on a regular basis.

(And yes, this is a simplistic version of what happens, but it illustrates the point.)





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The game High/Low is played by tossing two nuclear warheads into the air. The one whose bomb explodes higher wins. This game is usually played by people of low intelligence, hence the name High/Low.

> now, 2 weeks after the first wus were downloaded, i am still at 0 credit. I

Don't worry ;) My first credits took 5 weeks to arrive, and since then they've been steadily rolling in ;)


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i think the main problem is the uncertainty..ie not being able to view pending or results...

will keep going..its the time of the year when i want my pc on as much as poss to keep my room warm anyway..

Cheers..

as a side point..anyone looking for a UPS and UK based..its pro (2.5KVa)

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5127461619

Cheers..

Papa,

> Here's why this happens. Someone sticky this so everyone will read it.
>
> The credit validator has a queue. So all the returned WUs are standing in a
> line, waiting to be validated. For the sake of this example, let's pretend
> the validator runs through one WU per day, and has 20 WUs in the cache. So,
> it'll look something like this:
>
> ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRST
>
> Now, you join in the project, and you upload a WU. Now the cache looks like
> this:
>
> ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTU
>
> ... where U represents your WU. Now, two weeks later, 14 WUs have been
> processed, and the cache looks like this:
>
> OPQRSTUVWXYZABCDEFGH
>
> So, 2 weeks into the project, you still haven't gotten any credit, but you get
> to read on the forums how everyone else is getting thousands of credits every
> day. However, notice that your WU is still in the cache, and getting closer
> to the front. Therefore, your credits will come, as soon as they're worked
> through the line. Not only that, they'll start coming on a regular basis
> since they started joining the queue on a regular basis.
>
> (And yes, this is a simplistic version of what happens, but it illustrates the
> point.)

The heck with that, with your permission I am going to steal it ...
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> >
> > (And yes, this is a simplistic version of what happens, but it
> illustrates the
> > point.)
>
> The heck with that, with your permission I am going to steal it ...

Steal away!




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The game High/Low is played by tossing two nuclear warheads into the air. The one whose bomb explodes higher wins. This game is usually played by people of low intelligence, hence the name High/Low.

> > >
> > > (And yes, this is a simplistic version of what happens, but it
> > illustrates the
> > > point.)
> >
> > The heck with that, with your permission I am going to steal it ...
>
> Steal away!

DONE!

Now if only I could have my site syncrhonized ...
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> > Steal away!
>
> DONE!
>

It is in the glossary. Where people can look to see the credit process if they dare educate themselves.
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> > > Steal away!
> >
> > DONE!
> >
>
> It is in the glossary. Where people can look to see the credit process if
> they dare educate themselves.

Woohoo! A documentation contributor is me!




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The game High/Low is played by tossing two nuclear warheads into the air. The one whose bomb explodes higher wins. This game is usually played by people of low intelligence, hence the name High/Low.

> > It is in the glossary. Where people can look to see the credit process
> if
> > they dare educate themselves.
>
> Woohoo! A documentation contributor is me!

Steal from one guy and it is called plagerism, steal from 20, and its called research.

No one is safe. I love good examples. And i thought yours was good... so, lets preserve it so we can say to all that come after ... hey, its written down ... look it up ... :)

I was looking at a couple pages today and I can see my numbers of page hits are still climbing ... slowly, but climbing ...
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> I was looking at a couple pages today and I can see my numbers of page hits
> are still climbing ... slowly, but climbing ...

wait and see - at some point it'll climb faster and faster - and then even faster ;)


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I only recently found the part of my account that lets me see how my credit was dished out.. I noticed that theres a lot of units that i was not granted any credit for (ones that are said to have been succesfull and even shows what credit i requested).

just had a look at the postings and theres all the usual talk about it takes some time for other people to load-run-upload and then ill get the credit when seti gets around to it.
WELL Thats all well and good to say and im sure it normaly correct but these ungranted credit WU's are spread out dating back months even. any explanations for this?
just at a glance i'd say ive only got about 2/3rds of what i should have (at best) since the begining

> I only recently found the part of my account that lets me see how my credit
> was dished out.. I noticed that theres a lot of units that i was not granted
> any credit for (ones that are said to have been succesfull and even shows what
> credit i requested).
>
> just had a look at the postings and theres all the usual talk about it takes
> some time for other people to load-run-upload and then ill get the credit when
> seti gets around to it.
> WELL Thats all well and good to say and im sure it normaly correct but these
> ungranted credit WU's are spread out dating back months even. any explanations
> for this?
> just at a glance i'd say ive only got about 2/3rds of what i should have (at
> best) since the begining
>
You've chosen to hide your computers, so I can't get to your results list. But there are two main reasons for not getting credit for a nominally successful work unit. One is an invalid result. That is a result that differs from the other two results (out of the three that are normally sent). The other is too many results -- if there are enough unreturned results (errors or no reply) that eight results are created, validation is skipped and nobody gets any credit.

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------- Tom Gutman

BOINC VALIDATOR and Credits

CREDITS by PAUL




From a post by Paul;

From the "Rules and Policy"

===============
Liability

SETI@home and University of California assume no liability for damage to your
computer, loss of data, or any other event or condition that may occur as a
result of participating in SETI@home.

Other BOINC projects

Other projects use the same platform, BOINC, as SETI@home. You may want to
consider participating in one or more of these projects. By doing so, your
computer will do useful work even when SETI@home has no work available for
it.

These other projects are not associated with SETI@home, and we cannot vouch
for their security practices or the nature of their research. Join them at
your own risk.
==============

From the Credit Page:

Claimed credit is reported to a project when your computer communicates with
its server. The granted credit that you receive may be different from the
claimed credit, and there may be a delay of a few hours or days before it is
granted. This is because some BOINC projects grant credit only after results
have been validated.

================

From "Getting Started":

Please keep in mind:

There may be a delay of several days between when your computer reports a
result and when it is granted credit for the result. Your User page shows
you how much credit is 'pending' (claimed but not granted).
The credit-granting process starts when your computer reports a result to the
server (not when it finishes computing the result or uploading the output
files).
In rare cases (e.g. if errors occur on one or more computers) you may never
receive credit for a computation.

=================


There is no implied commitment by the developers of BOINC, any of the
projects, or anyone else that this is a "risk free" environment. Nor that it
is even worth your time. We are volunteers, they are trying to stay
responsive to us, and to create a new environment for the pursuit of science.

As much as I am unhappy with some of the day to day problems, we have come a
long way from when I first participated in the BOINC Beta program (I came in
after they had switched from the astropulse application to the SETI, for what
that is worth, though BOINC insisted that the WU were AP's).

Anyway, smile, it could be worse ...

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Semper Eadem
So long Paul, it has been a hell of a ride.

Park your ego's, fire up the computers, Science YES, Credits No.

i Can understand some of the errors and problems with boinc... well..maybe not always understand but its part of the territory.

heres a couple of things on the same route that baffle me..
1st -what on earth is going on when it states "Outcome-Unknown" and "Client Error"? maybe a resend result option should be put in.

2nd -this got me totaly baffled, luckly ive only found a couple of these

102038 24 Jul 2004 1:02:11 UTC 4 Aug 2004 15:31:36 UTC Over Unknown New 0.00 0.00 0.00
320887 24 Jul 2004 1:01:55 UTC 2 Aug 2004 22:36:20 UTC Over Success Done 13,465.16 40.71 0.00
41212 5 Aug 2004 18:51:09 UTC 10 Aug 2004 4:54:18 UTC Over Unknown New 0.00 0.00 0.00
134000 10 Aug 2004 7:26:46 UTC --- Over No reply New 0.00 --- ---
139440 21 Aug 2004 4:02:57 UTC 28 Aug 2004 15:57:51 UTC Over Unknown New 0.00 0.00 0.00
206622 30 Aug 2004 19:11:14 UTC 31 Aug 2004 19:56:05 UTC Over Success Done 16,809.42 27.07 27.07
57921 1 Sep 2004 21:50:57 UTC 2 Sep 2004 14:52:30 UTC Over Success Done 12,819.63 37.24 27.07

http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=899227

as you can see some got the 'Unknown' but in this case 320887 succeeded just like the last two but no credit given?

is anyone happy with this credit system?

If you look at the Result ID details for 320887, you'll find that it's listed as "invalid"... any WU that is invalid (ie does NOT form a quarum) is not given any credit.

From what I understand, SETI sends out 3 WUs and once 3 have been successfully returned, the validator checks to make sure that they got approximately the same results... two of them must be in agreement to give credit. Only those in agreement get credit.

It means that sometimes we crunch and get nothing (which is sad), but overall, I don't really mind... it's not like I can DO anything with the credit... except brag about it =-)

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