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Message 807056 - Posted: 11 Sep 2008, 18:42:32 UTC

If you had to pick which disaster was worst (katrina or 9/11) which would you pick and why? For example, if you had just enought money to build one monument which one would you build it for?

Personally I would pick Katrina because we should have done better. Plus we can help people without hurting our constitution.

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Message 807214 - Posted: 12 Sep 2008, 2:52:04 UTC - in response to Message 807056.  

If you had to pick which disaster was worst (katrina or 9/11) which would you pick and why? For example, if you had just enought money to build one monument which one would you build it for?

Personally I would pick Katrina because we should have done better. Plus we can help people without hurting our constitution.

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Katrina. Just for the sheer number of mistakes that were made dealing with it.


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Message 807275 - Posted: 12 Sep 2008, 5:44:53 UTC - in response to Message 807056.  

If you had to pick which disaster was worst (katrina or 9/11) which would you pick and why? For example, if you had just enought money to build one monument which one would you build it for?

Personally I would pick Katrina because we should have done better. Plus we can help people without hurting our constitution.

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i think the money would be used better if used to people who still lives away from their home,no statue will help anybody
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Message 807430 - Posted: 12 Sep 2008, 14:21:05 UTC - in response to Message 807275.  

Yes. I agree. Until the problem is solved and people are doing ok again I don't like the idea of spending money on momuments.

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If you had to pick which disaster was worst (katrina or 9/11) which would you pick and why? For example, if you had just enought money to build one monument which one would you build it for?

Personally I would pick Katrina because we should have done better. Plus we can help people without hurting our constitution.

Thanks,
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i think the money would be used better if used to people who still lives away from their home,no statue will help anybody


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Message 807530 - Posted: 12 Sep 2008, 19:53:03 UTC

Katrina---because our government has completely and abysmally failed the residents of the Gulf Coast.


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Message 807556 - Posted: 12 Sep 2008, 21:09:58 UTC

To me 9/11 were far more devastating, also because of the change in the fear of terror worldwide it brought by showing what some radical groups are capable of. And there have been terror attacks on other countries since connected to 9/11. To many of us here in my part of the world, the political climate in the world changed that day.

Katrina, how terrible it was, didn't have a world-wide significance and influence on most of the Western countries as 9/11 had.

Besides, I lost my old cat Sos that day, 9/11-2001, she was put to sleep at the vet only a couple of hours earlier than what happened in the States. So that day will always have a significant meaning to me...


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Message 807582 - Posted: 12 Sep 2008, 22:45:51 UTC

Katrina was a natural disaster with human mistakes.

9/11 was a tragic disaster involving human ignorance and hatred, and is the basis for many conflicts in human history.

I would say that 9/11 was far worse, and if we can somehow solve those problems, we'd be a lot better off (and our biggest disasters would be natural ones).
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Message 807610 - Posted: 12 Sep 2008, 23:59:47 UTC - in response to Message 807582.  

Katrina was a natural disaster with human mistakes.

9/11 was a tragic disaster involving human ignorance and hatred, and is the basis for many conflicts in human history.

I would say that 9/11 was far worse, and if we can somehow solve those problems, we'd be a lot better off (and our biggest disasters would be natural ones).


Yes, natural disasters should not be compared to disasters created by terror and human hatred.

If we should count on natural disasters and grade them, which I think is impossible, loss of human lives is terrible no matter how many, I'd say the tsunami 12/26-2004 was worse than Katrina in regards of loss of lives and magnitude. There wasn't even any human mistakes there, it was just unlucky people staying and living the wrong place when The Goddess Mother of the Earth shrugged.

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Message 807619 - Posted: 13 Sep 2008, 0:20:25 UTC - in response to Message 807610.  

loss of human lives is terrible no matter how many


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Message 808362 - Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 3:58:02 UTC
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I've got a better question...

What's the difference between drinking poisoned kool-aid and failing to heed multiple hurricane warnings when you live inside a bowl surrounded by water 10' below sea level?

...and how is EITHER the government's fault?


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Message 808571 - Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 17:16:59 UTC - in response to Message 807610.  

I agree. That the tsunami was the worst disaster of any kind that I have seen in my lifetime. It makes me sad that we don't really hear about it anymore. And I agree that 9/11 was a disaster created by humans out of hatred. I am an american and can remember exactly where I was then (18 at the time). I had to wake my brother up and tell him about it.

It just bothers me that the media spends so much more time on 9/11 than on katrina or the tsunami. Heck when is the last time you heard about the earthquake in China.

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Katrina was a natural disaster with human mistakes.

9/11 was a tragic disaster involving human ignorance and hatred, and is the basis for many conflicts in human history.

I would say that 9/11 was far worse, and if we can somehow solve those problems, we'd be a lot better off (and our biggest disasters would be natural ones).


Yes, natural disasters should not be compared to disasters created by terror and human hatred.

If we should count on natural disasters and grade them, which I think is impossible, loss of human lives is terrible no matter how many, I'd say the tsunami 12/26-2004 was worse than Katrina in regards of loss of lives and magnitude. There wasn't even any human mistakes there, it was just unlucky people staying and living the wrong place when The Goddess Mother of the Earth shrugged.


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Message 808574 - Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 17:34:00 UTC - in response to Message 808362.  
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People everywhere live in a dangerous places. I agree, that the gulf coast is by far not the safest place in the world to live. And more people should have left, if they could afford to. But I don't think we can just say "Hey you are not allowed to live on the gulf coast or in parts of texas". How could you enforce that?

I mean we would have to tell people to move out of Galveston, Texas because the deadliest natural disaster in the USA happened there. Yes people may consider that a once in a lifetime event, but so was katrina.

In 1900: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galveston_Hurricane_of_1900
Again in 1915: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1915_Galveston_Hurricane

Disasters happen everywhere. Just think of all the money we spend every year to protect a "handfull" of houses from frost fires in the west. They should just move to places without trees. Or maybe that is just the way the world works and we have to deal with it.

The Government is not a body by itself, it is the people. So in way if someone lives down there then a part of the government is down there. Our government is responsible for all of it citizens even if a large amount of them make "dumb" decisions your opinion.

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I've got a better question...

What's the difference between drinking poisoned kool-aid and failing to heed multiple hurricane warnings when you live inside a bowl surrounded by water 10' below sea level?

...and how is EITHER the government's fault?

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Message 808581 - Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 18:15:22 UTC

Each country has its danger zones. Think of the Messina earthquake of 1908 and the following tsunami. The first helpers were sailors of the Russian Fleet which happened to be nearby. The Friuli earthquake of 1976, which I felt in Milano being on a 14th floor, killed more than one thousand people, then it was followed by others in Sicily and Southern Italy. You cannot foresee earthquakes, the only thing you can do is to build better buildings as has been done in California and Japan and not in China. More than one million people live around Mount Vesuvius, a volcano of the explosive type which burst in 79 A.D. and then in 1944, covering Allied airfields and planes with ashes. Yet people continue living and building houses around it, despite many warnings. Life must go on, despite the "thousand natural shocks that flesh is heir to" (Shakespeare).
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Message 810175 - Posted: 20 Sep 2008, 4:17:03 UTC - in response to Message 808574.  
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People everywhere live in a dangerous places. I agree, that the gulf coast is by far not the safest place in the world to live. And more people should have left, if they could afford to. But I don't think we can just say "Hey you are not allowed to live on the gulf coast or in parts of texas". How could you enforce that?

I mean we would have to tell people to move out of Galveston, Texas because the deadliest natural disaster in the USA happened there. Yes people may consider that a once in a lifetime event, but so was katrina.

In 1900: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galveston_Hurricane_of_1900
Again in 1915: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1915_Galveston_Hurricane


Who said anything about not letting them live on the coast? I'm talking about getting out of the way of major hurricanes.


Disasters happen everywhere. Just think of all the money we spend every year to protect a "handfull" of houses from frost fires in the west. They should just move to places without trees. Or maybe that is just the way the world works and we have to deal with it.


Man has possessed the knowledge and technology to battle fire for so long it's now commonplace. Remove the oxygen source (smother) or remove/reduce the combustibility of the fuel source (water).

We currently have no means to fight hurricanes, only track and predict their path of destruction.

The Government is not a body by itself, it is the people. So in way if someone lives down there then a part of the government is down there. Our government is responsible for all of it citizens even if a large amount of them make "dumb" decisions your opinion.


I'm sure you like to think that's how the govt. works, but the facts clearly tell a different story. Precisely why most of us make sacrifices in order to NOT be govt. dependent....even those of us in Louisiana.


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Message 810577 - Posted: 21 Sep 2008, 12:29:54 UTC

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Message 811127 - Posted: 23 Sep 2008, 1:38:55 UTC

I think we should observe that the head of security for Smith Barney gat almost all employees out of the tower before it collapsed. He was still herding the last few out when the building failed. Two thousand survived because he saw the risk in the building and had drills so that huge number got out.

Compare that to the after storm flood in New Orleans with Bush's buddy Brownie <in charge>.

And the Mayor who had the a fleet of school buses left parked in a low area that flooded and not available to move people out of the city after the winds subsided. ( or evacuating the low areas before the storm).

Finally the great job (by contractors for C of E) in building the sea walls and levies to keep the flood out of the lower half the city.

So my choice is the worst case was the New Orleans both before and after.

Finally we must not forget those on the fourth plane who crashed because the passengers stormed those who took over the aircraft. It could have hit any of a dozen really important buildings in DC. We will never know which one unless Bin Laden choses to make a statement.

As a resident of s suburb of DC having just one building hit was bad enough. Imagine one or more important offices were hit along the mall.

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Message 811607 - Posted: 24 Sep 2008, 17:14:35 UTC - in response to Message 810175.  

The point I was making is that if an American is in trouble then it is every American's job (including our government, which again is part of us) to help them. These people were living in American and they needed our help. Dumb or not, we and our government failed to protect our own people in our own country.

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Message 811608 - Posted: 24 Sep 2008, 17:15:45 UTC - in response to Message 811127.  

I agree. Everyone messed up. Some more than others. That is why I rank it higher. And the fact that the media does not report it as much as 9/11.

I live in Northern Va as well and wondered where the other plane was going. Congress? Whitehouse? Who knows.

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I think we should observe that the head of security for Smith Barney gat almost all employees out of the tower before it collapsed. He was still herding the last few out when the building failed. Two thousand survived because he saw the risk in the building and had drills so that huge number got out.

Compare that to the after storm flood in New Orleans with Bush's buddy Brownie <in charge>.

And the Mayor who had the a fleet of school buses left parked in a low area that flooded and not available to move people out of the city after the winds subsided. ( or evacuating the low areas before the storm).

Finally the great job (by contractors for C of E) in building the sea walls and levies to keep the flood out of the lower half the city.

So my choice is the worst case was the New Orleans both before and after.

Finally we must not forget those on the fourth plane who crashed because the passengers stormed those who took over the aircraft. It could have hit any of a dozen really important buildings in DC. We will never know which one unless Bin Laden choses to make a statement.

As a resident of s suburb of DC having just one building hit was bad enough. Imagine one or more important offices were hit along the mall.

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Message 811721 - Posted: 25 Sep 2008, 2:09:28 UTC - in response to Message 811607.  
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The point I was making is that if an American is in trouble then it is every American's job (including our government, which again is part of us) to help them. These people were living in American and they needed our help. Dumb or not, we and our government failed to protect our own people in our own country.

Chris.


Actually that's just your opinion.

No one is America is required to care for any other human being other than a parent or guardian of a minor child...and through emancipation of the child, one can even remove themselves from that obligation.


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