27 minute video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8905191678365185391

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

27 minute video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8905191678365185391

Looks like propaganda to me, spread to stir up hate against our troops.

"The fighting in Fallujah, Iraq has led to a number of widespread myths including false charges that the United States is using chemical weapons such napalm and poison gas. None of these allegations are true.

Qatar-based Internet site Islam Online was one of the first to spread the false chemical weapons claim. On November 10, 2004, it reported that U.S. troops were allegedly using "chemical weapons and poisonous gas" in Fallujah. ("US Troops Reportedly Gassing Fallujah") It sourced this claim to Al-Quds Press, which cited only anonymous sources for its allegation.

The inaccurate Islam Online story has been posted on hundreds of Web sites.

On November 12, 2004, the U.S. Department of Defense issued a denial of the chemical weapons charge, stating:

"The United States categorically denies the use of chemical weapons at anytime in Iraq, which includes the ongoing Fallujah operation. Furthermore, the United States does not under any circumstance support or condone the development, production, acquisition, transfer or use of chemical weapons by any country. All chemical weapons currently possessed by the United States have been declared to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) and are being destroyed in the United States in accordance with our obligations under the Chemical Weapons Convention."

To its credit, Islam Online ran a Nov. 25, 2004, story carrying the U.S. denial.

In both stories, Islam Online noted that U.S. forces had used napalm-like incendiary weapons during the march to Baghdad in the spring of 2003. Although all napalm in the U.S. arsenal had been destroyed by 2001, Mark-77 firebombs, which have a similar effect to napalm, were used against enemy positions in 2003.

The repetition of this story on Islam Online’s led to further misinformation. Some readers did not distinguish between what had happened in the spring of 2003, during the march to Baghdad, and in Fallujah in November 2004. They mistakenly thought napalm-like weapons had been used in Fallujah, which is not true. No Mark-77 firebombs have been used in operations in Fallujah.

On Nov. 11, 2004, the Nov. 10 Islam Online story was reposted by the New York Transfer News Web site, with the inaccurate headline "Resistance Says US Using Napalm, Gas in Fallujah."

The headline was wrong in two ways. First, as explained above, Islam Online was incorrect in claiming that U.S. forces were using poison gas in Fallujah. Second, the New York Transfer News misread the Islam Online story to mean that U.S. forces were currently using napalm-like weapons in Fallujah. But Islam Online had never claimed this; it had only talked about napalm use in 2003.

The false napalm allegation then took on a life of its own. Further postings on the Internet repeated or recreated the error that the New York Transfer News had made, which eventually appeared in print media. For example, on Nov. 28, 2004, the UK’s Sunday Mirror inaccurately claimed U.S. forces were "secretly using outlawed napalm gas" in Fallujah.

The Sunday Mirror story was wrong in two ways.

First, napalm or napalm-like incendiary weapons are not outlawed. International law permits their use against military forces, which is how they were used in 2003.

Second, as noted above, no Mark-77 firebombs were used in Fallujah.

The Sunday Mirror’s phrasing "napalm gas" is also revealing. Napalm is a gel, not a gas. Why did the Sunday Mirror describe it as a gas?

It may be that, somewhere along the line, a sloppy reader read the inaccurate New York Transfer News headline, "Resistance Says US Using Napalm, Gas in Fallujah," and omitted the comma between napalm and gas, yielding the nonsensical "napalm gas."

Next, the Sunday Mirror’s misinformation about “napalm gas” was reported in identical articles on Nov. 28 by aljazeera.com and islamonline.com. These two Web sites, which are owned by the same company – Al Jazeera Publishing – are deceptive look-alike Web sites that masquerade as the English-language sites of the popular Qatar-based Arabic-language satellite television station al Jazeera and the popular Islam Online Web site, which is islamonline.net.

Finally, some news accounts have claimed that U.S. forces have used "outlawed" phosphorous shells in Fallujah. Phosphorous shells are not outlawed. U.S. forces have used them very sparingly in Fallujah, for illumination purposes. They were fired into the air to illuminate enemy positions at night, not at enemy fighters.

[November 10, 2005 note: We have learned that some of the information we were provided in the above paragraph is incorrect. White phosphorous shells, which produce smoke, were used in Fallujah not for illumination but for screening purposes, i.e., obscuring troop movements and, according to an article, "The Fight for Fallujah," in the March-April 2005 issue of Field Artillery magazine, "as a potent psychological weapon against the insurgents in trench lines and spider holes …." The article states that U.S. forces used white phosphorous rounds to flush out enemy fighters so that they could then be killed with high explosive rounds.]

There is a great deal of misinformation feeding on itself about U.S. forces allegedly using "outlawed" weapons in Fallujah. The facts are that U.S. forces are not using any illegal weapons in Fallujah or anywhere else in Iraq."

http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive_Index/Illegal_Weapons_in_Fallujah.html

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Denial is SOP for these kind of situations,


I guess Alice Mahon, Deputy Labor Party, the MOD, and our own Marines got it wrong on MK77.

Whiskey Pappa


Whiskey Tango Foxtrot


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Intersting.

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Denial is SOP for these kind of situations,


I guess Alice Mahon, Deputy Labor Party, the MOD, and our own Marines got it wrong on MK77.

Whiskey Pappa


Whiskey Tango Foxtrot


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Denial? The letter from the MOD to Alice Mahon, says MK77 was used in 2003, nothing about it's use in Fallujah in 2005. I heard the marine mention the use of WP (White Phosphorus not MK77) in Fallujah, perhaps I missed the comment about MK77. Looks like StormKing got his facts right.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Denial is SOP for these kind of situations,


I guess Alice Mahon, Deputy Labor Party, the MOD, and our own Marines got it wrong on MK77.

Whiskey Pappa


Whiskey Tango Foxtrot


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Denial? The letter from the MOD to Alice Mahon, says MK77 was used in 2003, nothing about it's use in Fallujah in 2005. I heard the marine mention the use of WP (White Phosphorus not MK77) in Fallujah, perhaps I missed the comment about MK77. Looks like StormKing got his facts right.

Enter the ex british banker who knows all about U.S. government activities.

2003 vs 2005. Both still after the "agreement" not to use chemical weapons, let alone on civilians.


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Your confusing the American people and the government.


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Your confusing the American people and the government.


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Are they not one in the same?

Last paragraph of the Gettysburg Address:
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

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Look around buddy,

You see the executive branch asking congress for approval to sell weapons or launch wars?

Do the American people condone the use of chemical weapons? Did we authorize it?


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Stormking---some of us would suggest that our government, under this administration has--to an extent--acted against the will of the people.

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Stormking---some of us would suggest that our government, under this administration has--to an extent--acted against the will of the people.

I do not disagree with that, I just do not appreciate it when people use false information to attack our troops. I frankly can't wait till we get a new president.

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No one is attacking our troops,

They follow orders. There are two or more Marines in that video telling it like it was. I don't consider that false information.


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

government of the people, by the people, for the people

That quote was superseded by this quote:

"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Enter the ex british banker who knows all about U.S. government activities.

2003 vs 2005. Both still after the "agreement" not to use chemical weapons, let alone on civilians.


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Calling me a banker doesn't make it so. Nor does saying I know all about US government activities. How about leaving the ad homs at the door and sticking to what I say? Oh, and I still have a valid UK passport.

Just because I point out your errors does not mean I'm attacking you, so why the response?

Indeed both are after the UN agreement to stop the use of chemical weapons, but as the video says, the US never signed up to that one. According to the video all the US gov't said was that napalm stock piles were destroyed in 2001, which nobody in the video argued against.

By no means am I supporting either the use of MK77 or WP as weapons, to do so seems abhorrent. Still if you asked what I thought rather than attacked who am I, you might have found that out sooner.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Just so people know what they are doing with our money, and in our name,

Burying the truth along with the dead is no way to win hearts and minds. Neither is going into a country under the false impression of finding WMD while bombing them with chemweps.

Just so people know, because corporate media sure as hell won't tell you.


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Burying the truth along with the dead is no way to win hearts and minds.

What did you expect from a people who would murder their own children to maintain their comfy lifestyle... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Just so people know what they are doing with our money, and in our name,

Burying the truth along with the dead is no way to win hearts and minds. Neither is going into a country under the false impression of finding WMD while bombing them with chemweps.

Just so people know, because corporate media sure as hell won't tell you.


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MrGray, the first victim of a war is the truth!

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Agreed, Dirk and Jeffrey.


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Has the U.S. Army used already the third atomic bomb?---->a small nuclear penetration bomb with an energy of 5 kilotons between the Iraqi town of Basra and the border with Iran
During Operation "Desert Storm"

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No one is attacking our troops,

They follow orders. There are two or more Marines in that video telling it like it was. I don't consider that false information.


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They do more than that, As blind obedience to orders is stupid. People can be stupid, Enlisted personnel are no exception, Officers/Warrant Officers should know better of course.

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