Items About Areas That Could Break Out Into War


August 9, 2008: The lights have gone out, literally. Over half a century of poor maintenance and neglect, the power grid of the Central African Republic has collapsed. The capital has gone dark. Two nearby hydroelectric power stations, which provide most of the nation's electricity, have failed from years of neglect. The government is calling on foreign aid donors to fly in generators for hospitals and other essential services. Generators that have been brought in previously have not been maintained, and wear out quickly. This is not an exceptional event, for colonial era infrastructure, from roads to power plants, are collapsing from decades of post-independence neglect. This causes more unrest, as factions battle for a dwindling supply of resources.

August 7, 2008: The Central African Republic's northern and north-eastern areas continue to be used by Chadian and Sudanese rebel groups as a route for moving personnel and equipment. That's one reason the UN labels the CAR's security situation as "fragile." There are others, including claims that CAR soldiers have joined some of the "northern bandits" in raiding villages. In February and March several Lords Resistance Army bands (LRA, the Ugandan rebels) moved into the CAR and raided several towns and villages in the country's southeast (including the towns of Obo and Bambouti). Five months later there is renewed concern that the CAR could become a "new front" in Uganda 's war with the LRA.


Courtesy of StrategyPage

http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/pothot/articles/20080809.aspx



So my question for debate is:

Did the people of Africa live better under colonialism than they do under independence?

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No they don´t.

But your question is very good.

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Items About Areas That Could Break Out Into War


August 9, 2008: The lights have gone out, literally. Over half a century of poor maintenance and neglect, the power grid of the Central African Republic has collapsed. The capital has gone dark. Two nearby hydroelectric power stations, which provide most of the nation's electricity, have failed from years of neglect. The government is calling on foreign aid donors to fly in generators for hospitals and other essential services. Generators that have been brought in previously have not been maintained, and wear out quickly. This is not an exceptional event, for colonial era infrastructure, from roads to power plants, are collapsing from decades of post-independence neglect. This causes more unrest, as factions battle for a dwindling supply of resources.

August 7, 2008: The Central African Republic's northern and north-eastern areas continue to be used by Chadian and Sudanese rebel groups as a route for moving personnel and equipment. That's one reason the UN labels the CAR's security situation as "fragile." There are others, including claims that CAR soldiers have joined some of the "northern bandits" in raiding villages. In February and March several Lords Resistance Army bands (LRA, the Ugandan rebels) moved into the CAR and raided several towns and villages in the country's southeast (including the towns of Obo and Bambouti). Five months later there is renewed concern that the CAR could become a "new front" in Uganda 's war with the LRA.


Courtesy of StrategyPage

http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/pothot/articles/20080809.aspx



So my question for debate is:

Did the people of Africa live better under colonialism than they do under independence?

Ohhhhhhhhh,,,,,,, Christ, MY SAVIOUR.....PLEASE KEEP THEM FROM THEIR FEELINGS OF HARM..................and I do invoke hin,,,,,,,,,

Please save us from this useless loss of human life.........please

I have lost all but for the kitties...........

Gottat go.........................

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

No they don´t.

But your question is very good.

Let the african people answer this interesting question themselves about it here......let´s see the results and the comments!!!

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Russia Takes A Beating Over Georgia


August 14, 2008: While Georgian ground forces have been pushed around by the recent Russian invasion, Georgian air defenses have been noticeably more effective. The Russians have admitted to losing four aircraft (three Su-25 ground attack bombers and a Tu-22 bomber flying a reconnaissance mission.) Most, or all, appear to have been brought down by the SA-11 BukM1 surface-to-air missile systems (obtained from Ukraine).

The SA-11 is the successor to the SA-6, which did so much damage to the Israeli Air Force during the 1973 war. The SA-11 launchers are self-propelled and carry four 1,500 pound missiles. The missiles have a 30 kilometer range, and can hit aircraft at up to 72,000 feet. The missiles move at about 2,900 kilometers an hour. The battery radar, which is also self-propelled, can detect aircraft at up to 85 kilometers away. The system can be set up and ready to fire in five minutes. The missile has a 150 pound warhead, that is triggered by a radar proximity fuze.

The Georgians also have some Tor-M1 systems, also obtained from Ukraine. Also known to NATO as the SA-15 Gauntlet, it has a maximum range of 12 kilometers. It is only effective up to 6,000 meters altitude. The system was designed as a successor to the SA-N-8 Gecko. Each launcher carries eight missiles, and it is claimed to be capable of engaging two targets simultaneously. The system was designed to be a tactical battlefield air-defense system, designed to take out close-air-support planes like the A-10 or tactical fighter-bombers like the F-4, F-16, and F-18.

Georgia claims to have downed ten Russian aircraft as of August 11th, and the true air losses won't be known until photos appear of all the aircraft wreckage. It is interesting that Russia was unable to come up with effective countermeasures against missile systems they had designed. The Russians knew of Ukrainian arms exports to Georgia, and the presence of the SA-11s and SA-15s. This is another mystery that will only be explained over time.


Courtesy of Strategypage.com

Air War


So, my question for debate is:

Is NATO already fighting a proxy war with Russia?

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georgia did not happen to mention that they invaded south ossetia before russia attacked them?

georgia did not happen to mention that they invaded south ossetia before russia attacked them?

As far as I know, they have "low-bridged" that. It seems doubtful that they would have done that without secret treaties for support. Yet Georgia is reaping lots of western countries media support by playing the underdog attacked by a big bully.

President Mikhail Saakashvili is a forward thinker and planner. A case in point: two years before our current Beijing Olympics, he recruited two Brasillian women to act as Georgia's first Women's Beach Volleyball team.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=48246&nowrap=true#797268

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georgia did not happen to mention that they invaded south ossetia before russia attacked them?

As far as I know, they have "low-bridged" that. It seems doubtful that they would have done that without secret treaties for support. Yet Georgia is reaping lots of western countries media support by playing the underdog attacked by a big bully.

President Mikhail Saakashvili is a forward thinker and planner. A case in point: two years before our current Beijing Olympics, he recruited two Brasillian women to act as Georgia's first Women's Beach Volleyball team.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=48246&nowrap=true#797268

So its OK for Russia to slap Chechnya around like a redheaded step child. but when Georgia wants to keep its own "rebels" in line they are considered to be invading one of their own territories. I'm afraid I don't see this as anything other than russia making a show of force to all its neighbors about what happens to countries and people that don't follow their lead

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope