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Message 793403 - Posted: 6 Aug 2008, 0:24:19 UTC

August 6 is the anniversary of the day in 1945 that an atomic bomb was first used against human beings when it was dropped on the city of Hiroshima in Japan. Every year it is remembered in different cities around the world.

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Message 793767 - Posted: 6 Aug 2008, 16:01:09 UTC

Amazing isn't it?

I don't understand people much of the time.
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Message 793825 - Posted: 6 Aug 2008, 18:54:41 UTC - in response to Message 793767.  

I don't understand people much of the time.

When I was younger, I didn't and wished that I did... I got that wish, and now that I do, I wish that I didn't... ;)
It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .
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Message 793875 - Posted: 6 Aug 2008, 21:20:39 UTC - in response to Message 793825.  

I don't understand people much of the time.

When I was younger, I didn't and wished that I did... I got that wish, and now that I do, I wish that I didn't... ;)



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How could we drop that on two cities? Lunacy. We were already beating them back to Japan. We could have dropped them just off the coast for effect. I'm more than sure they would have folded. Then we send medical personnel in, not to help the victims, but to study them!

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Message 793886 - Posted: 6 Aug 2008, 21:53:47 UTC - in response to Message 793875.  

How could we drop that on two cities? Lunacy. We were already beating them back to Japan. We could have dropped them just off the coast for effect. I'm more than sure they would have folded.

You being sure has no bearing because the historical record demonstrates otherwise.

1) They were warned in the Potsdam Declaration to surrender unconditionally, because they faced a weapon of unimaginable power and that they faced "prompt and utter destruction." They refused.

2) After Hiroshima, the were warned AGAIN to surrender unconditionally. This time the phrase was something like "a rain of ruin from the sky, the likes of which the world has never seen." They refused AGAIN because they did not want Hirohito to be tried for war crimes for Japanese behavior in Asia (they had been busily putting Hitler to shame, slaughtering some 17 million civilians since 1932 or so). In other words, they did not fold. They held their people hostage to save face for Hirohito.

3) Nagasaki was melted and this time they folded and folded quick. Even then, after the surrender, there was a coup attempt in order to prevent the surrender from going through.

So no, they would not have folded. Nor did they.

Then we send medical personnel in, not to help the victims, but to study them!

Yeah, it's call war for a reason. It's not called poem. Or flower. Or cute. It's called war.
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Message 793887 - Posted: 6 Aug 2008, 21:54:18 UTC - in response to Message 793875.  

I don't understand people much of the time.

When I was younger, I didn't and wished that I did... I got that wish, and now that I do, I wish that I didn't... ;)



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How could we drop that on two cities? Lunacy. We were already beating them back to Japan. We could have dropped them just off the coast for effect. I'm more than sure they would have folded. Then we send medical personnel in, not to help the victims, but to study them!

FUBAR

It's pretty simple....ensuring the defeat of your enemy is more important than minimizing his causalities.

Obviously we don't all share your sense of "collective guilt"...hopefully you feel bad enough for the both of us.


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Message 793901 - Posted: 6 Aug 2008, 22:26:30 UTC

Right or wrong, it happened. All I know is that the bombings probably saved my grandfather's life. He was actually on the boats heading for Japan in the first wave of the invasion when the surrender came down.

That is what I have been told by my family. My grandfather died when I was about 3 years old. I have very few memories of him.

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Message 793920 - Posted: 6 Aug 2008, 23:11:14 UTC

Deliberate killing of civilians is a war crime, whether Japan was suing for peace or not.

I am feeling very old. I was born in World War 2 and the atrocities, under whatever guise, continue...
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Message 793927 - Posted: 6 Aug 2008, 23:36:35 UTC - in response to Message 793920.  

Deliberate killing of civilians is a war crime

They did it in Hiroshima, and they did it in Iraq, why is it so hard to believe that they would do it in New York City... ;)
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Message 793938 - Posted: 7 Aug 2008, 0:04:22 UTC - in response to Message 793920.  
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Deliberate killing of civilians is a war crime, whether Japan was suing for peace or not.

I am feeling very old. I was born in World War 2 and the atrocities, under whatever guise, continue...


I just LOVE how liberals think we're supposed to win wars with both hands tied behind our back by rules no one else follows.

Are you actually PROUD of how this mentality has dragged out the War on Terror?


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Message 793945 - Posted: 7 Aug 2008, 0:19:47 UTC - in response to Message 793938.  



I just LOVE how liberals think we're supposed to win wars with both hands tied behind our back by rules no one else follows.

Are you actually PROUD of how this mentality has dragged out the War on Terror?


I think you might be a bit mixed up. By liberals I suppose you mean some people like myself who actually don't think we should be in any war at all. I mean how atavistic is that, ripping each other to bits to get whatever each wants? Not very grown up is it? Have you really ever asked yourself why there is even a "war on terror"? Do you think it came out of nowhere? Are you happy that this is how the human race should resolve differences, with war? Do you dream of a better future?
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Message 793946 - Posted: 7 Aug 2008, 0:21:14 UTC - in response to Message 793938.  

Deliberate killing of civilians is a war crime, whether Japan was suing for peace or not.

I am feeling very old. I was born in World War 2 and the atrocities, under whatever guise, continue...


I just LOVE how liberals think we're supposed to win wars with both hands tied behind our back by rules no one else follows.

Are you actually PROUD of how this mentality has dragged out the War on Terror?


Right, it's the liberals fault that the War on Terror has latest this long. Just for the record, how long did the liberal President GW Bush say we should expect this war would last?
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 793950 - Posted: 7 Aug 2008, 0:31:26 UTC - in response to Message 793920.  

Deliberate killing of civilians is a war crime, whether Japan was suing for peace or not.

I am feeling very old. I was born in World War 2 and the atrocities, under whatever guise, continue...


Quite, Robert McNamara, in The Fog of War, commenting on his part in the firebombing campaign against Japan, said:

"(Curtis) LeMay said that 'If we'd lost the war, we'd all have been prosecuted as war criminals.' And I think he's right. He, and I'd say I, were behaving as war criminals."

I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 793952 - Posted: 7 Aug 2008, 0:34:28 UTC - in response to Message 793946.  
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Deliberate killing of civilians is a war crime, whether Japan was suing for peace or not.

I am feeling very old. I was born in World War 2 and the atrocities, under whatever guise, continue...


I just LOVE how liberals think we're supposed to win wars with both hands tied behind our back by rules no one else follows.

Are you actually PROUD of how this mentality has dragged out the War on Terror?


Right, it's the liberals fault that the War on Terror has latest this long. Just for the record, how long did the liberal President GW Bush say we should expect this war would last?


I thought the war in Iraq already ended!

I saw Bush on an Aircraft Carrier say so!


OMG! Oliver Stone is making a movie about Bush called "W." !!!

Directed by Oliver Stone
owned by Lionsgate Studios

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEyJ2kdaaTQ

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1175491/
http://lionsgate.com/?section=film
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Message 794026 - Posted: 7 Aug 2008, 3:21:30 UTC - in response to Message 793945.  



I just LOVE how liberals think we're supposed to win wars with both hands tied behind our back by rules no one else follows.

Are you actually PROUD of how this mentality has dragged out the War on Terror?


I think you might be a bit mixed up. By liberals I suppose you mean some people like myself who actually don't think we should be in any war at all. I mean how atavistic is that, ripping each other to bits to get whatever each wants? Not very grown up is it?


That depends on if you define "grown up" as capable of providing for and protecting your family or someone who asks "Why is there a War on Terror" in the wake of 30+ years of middle eastern terrorism.

Have you really ever asked yourself why there is even a "war on terror"? Do you think it came out of nowhere? Are you happy that this is how the human race should resolve differences, with war? Do you dream of a better future?


Of course I dream of a better world...I'm just not foolish enough to believe everyone shares that same dream OR that all of man's dreams can coexist together.


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Message 794027 - Posted: 7 Aug 2008, 3:28:17 UTC - in response to Message 793946.  
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Deliberate killing of civilians is a war crime, whether Japan was suing for peace or not.

I am feeling very old. I was born in World War 2 and the atrocities, under whatever guise, continue...


I just LOVE how liberals think we're supposed to win wars with both hands tied behind our back by rules no one else follows.

Are you actually PROUD of how this mentality has dragged out the War on Terror?


Right, it's the liberals fault that the War on Terror has latest this long. Just for the record, how long did the liberal President GW Bush say we should expect this war would last?


You seemed to have missed the subtle difference between protecting a foreign land and crushing it's populace/government into submission.

When's the last time Japan or Germany stepped out of line? Or is that just another one of those "coincidences" like not having another terrorist attack on our homeland since the invasion of the middle east?


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Message 794030 - Posted: 7 Aug 2008, 3:30:53 UTC - in response to Message 793952.  

I thought the war in Iraq already ended!

I saw Bush on an Aircraft Carrier say so!



Yeah, people tend to get confused when they aren't actually paying attention...but that's ok, some of us do and I'm sure your little bit of propaganda has been corrected numerous times before.


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Message 794032 - Posted: 7 Aug 2008, 3:50:07 UTC

yes, bush said so, but like most of the time, he does not understand what he was saying.
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Message 794036 - Posted: 7 Aug 2008, 3:59:34 UTC - in response to Message 794032.  
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yes, bush said so, but like most of the time, he does not understand what he was saying.


Yeah, no way in heck he just declared an end to major combat operations and the left trumped up the rest of the story. I mean keeping the peace and ousting a dictator are the same thing "in your opinion", right?


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Message 794037 - Posted: 7 Aug 2008, 4:07:07 UTC - in response to Message 794036.  
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yes, bush said so, but like most of the time, he does not understand what he was saying.


Yeah, no way in heck he just declared an end to major combat operations and the left trumped up the rest of the story. I mean keeping the peace and ousting a dictator are the same thing "in your opinion", right?



Keeping in mind that we put him in power and gave him weapons, chemicals, maps, and targets, I'd say we gave him the Noriega treatment. Just like we did with Iran. Divide and conquer. Food for oil. Things start looking to peaceful we send in the CIA to blow something up and blame it on a faction.

Transparent to some of us. Unthinkable or condoned by others.
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