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Message 791891 - Posted: 3 Aug 2008, 6:11:43 UTC

Okay... I'll admit procrastination in updating my app_info.xml files to process the AP WUs... I was waiting for the official "An app_info.xml file will be made available here" section of the Astropulse FAQ to be created.

Seems this didn't stop the project from issuing an AP WU to my host, which was immediately dismissed due to missing AP client, causing my issued WU to become a ghost. It will "timeout" on 02 Sep and then be reissued.... Sorry wingman.

I doubt that I'm alone, and unless folks pay close attention to their message logs and "Computer Tasks" webpage, you won't even notice you own ghost WUs.

Question is... How many others like mine are there ?

Be warned folks, unless you want to be a Ghost Rider, do not postpone updating that app_info.xml file ASAP.

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Message 791896 - Posted: 3 Aug 2008, 6:24:14 UTC - in response to Message 791894.
Last modified: 3 Aug 2008, 6:27:44 UTC


Hmmm......I thought that it was indicated that AP work would not be issued to a host computer if you were already running optimized unless the proper files to process it were in place....you were running an opti app on that rig, no?
Maybe this is another scheduler bug that Eric needs to be aware of.


From the Astropulse FAQ...

Can I choose to run only Astropulse? Can I choose not to run Astropulse?

At present you must run both Astropulse and the original SETI@home. However, we plan to implement the ability to choose in the near future.

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Lesson here... if you have the hardware, you will be issued AP work!!! Nevermind that you don't have the AP client.

[edit] Only running optimized on all my rigs. If I wasn't running optimized, the AP client would have installed automatically. [/edit]

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Message 791899 - Posted: 3 Aug 2008, 6:30:41 UTC

It should not download the work if you do not have the files in place for it though.

If you are using an optimised application then you will need to replace or modify the app_info.xml file.


I take that statement to mean that the servers will not issue you AP work until you have the app_info file updated.
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Message 791902 - Posted: 3 Aug 2008, 6:35:42 UTC

This one should work just fine on the E4500 as you run the same version as I do.

<app_info>

<app>

<name>astropulse</name>

</app>

<file_info>

<name>astropulse_4.35_windows_intelx86.exe</name>

<executable/>

</file_info>

<file_info>

<name>libfftw3f-3-1-1a_upx.dll</name>

<executable/>

</file_info>

<file_info>

<name>ap_graphics_4.35_windows_intelx86.exe</name>

<executable/>

</file_info>

<app_version>

<app_name>astropulse</app_name>

<version_num>435</version_num>

<file_ref>

<file_name>astropulse_4.35_windows_intelx86.exe</file_name>

<main_program/>

</file_ref>

<file_ref>

<file_name>libfftw3f-3-1-1a_upx.dll</file_name>

</file_ref>

<file_ref>

<file_name>ap_graphics_4.35_windows_intelx86.exe</file_name>

<open_name>graphics_app</open_name>

</file_ref>

</app_version>

<app>

<name>setiathome_enhanced</name>

</app>

<file_info>

<name>AK_v8_win_SSSE3x.exe</name>

<executable/>

</file_info>

<app_version>

<app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>

<version_num>517</version_num>

<file_ref>

<file_name>AK_v8_win_SSSE3x.exe</file_name>

<main_program/>

</file_ref>

</app_version>

<app_version>

<app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>

<version_num>527</version_num>

<file_ref>

<file_name>AK_v8_win_SSSE3x.exe</file_name>

<main_program/>

</file_ref>

</app_version>

<app_version>

<app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>

<version_num>528</version_num>

<file_ref>

<file_name>AK_v8_win_SSSE3x.exe</file_name>

<main_program/>

</file_ref>

</app_version>

</app_info>
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Message 791905 - Posted: 3 Aug 2008, 6:41:17 UTC

Nope. I'm running optimzed apps on all my rigs...and I received WUs on a MAC and on a Linux box...and I didn't change the app_info.xml file...
Haven't checked my WIN-rigs yet...

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Message 791907 - Posted: 3 Aug 2008, 6:49:28 UTC - in response to Message 791899.
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It should not download the work if you do not have the files in place for it though.

If you are using an optimised application then you will need to replace or modify the app_info.xml file.


I take that statement to mean that the servers will not issue you AP work until you have the app_info file updated.



Yes, I understood that statement the same way, my host has been running nothing but optimized AK_V8 with app_info.xml since mid March... this is Lovey, the first Windows host to be running AK_V8, the box I first deployed to, my first test host for the ported client.

If I read the above statement a slightly different way... "If you are using an optimized application, then you need to replace or modify the app_info.xml file, you will get AP WUs".

@Arkayn : Thanks, I've already modified my app_info.xml files, but the damage has been done with the first AP WU.

@UL1 : I saw your earlier message about receiving one of the AP WUs on your MAC, I saw the same messages in my Win Vista log file.

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@msattler : Here's one of your AP WUs... Have you changed your app_info.xml to understand how to crunch ?
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With 30 day deadlines... it's going to be a long wait to grant credit on the ghosts... fortunately my wingman on this WU is also running WIN AK_V8 and probably hasn't modified his app_info.xml either.

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Message 791926 - Posted: 3 Aug 2008, 8:31:27 UTC

I think Mark actually got it right.

(modify the app_info.xml and download the astropulse files)


The files to download are in Richards post Beta - AP release soon - 34336

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Message 791927 - Posted: 3 Aug 2008, 8:34:03 UTC
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I got an astropulse unit here a couple hours ago and I'm running the stock app. Looks like my wingman got it with the optimised client. Don't know who this is as its listed As.

Not sure what you mean by a ghost wu. That mean the optimized client isn't goign to process it?
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Message 791929 - Posted: 3 Aug 2008, 8:50:47 UTC - in response to Message 791926.

I think Mark actually got it right.
(modify the app_info.xml and download the astropulse files)


The files to download are in Richards post Beta - AP release soon - 34336



Yes, I understand... Since I didn't update my app_info.xml file or install the AP client files, is it expected that I would be assigned ghost AP workunits?

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Message 791930 - Posted: 3 Aug 2008, 8:57:29 UTC - in response to Message 791927.

I got an astropulse unit here a couple hours ago and I'm running the stock app. Looks like my wingman got it with the optimised client. Don't know who this is as its listed As.

Not sure what you mean by a ghost wu. That mean the optimized client isn't goign to process it?

As you have found out if you are using the stock app then downloading of apps is automatic.

But if you are using optimised apps and an app_info file, the owner is making themselves responsible to ensure all the apps and associated files listed in the app_info file are on their computers and in the right place.

Modifying the app_info file is not enough. The app_info file is used to inform the download server that the computer is capable of doing that type of work and you have suitable apps in place. If the apps haven't been installed then the data is downloaded but with no app in place.... CRASH.

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Message 791931 - Posted: 3 Aug 2008, 9:01:04 UTC - in response to Message 791929.

I think Mark actually got it right.
(modify the app_info.xml and download the astropulse files)


The files to download are in Richards post Beta - AP release soon - 34336



Yes, I understand... Since I didn't update my app_info.xml file or install the AP client files, is it expected that I would be assigned ghost AP workunits?

No, you shouldn't have issued AP units, that is a server problem.

Must check my computers to see if I have been allocated AP here. Don't want them here yet have enough of them at Beta. That could be a long job and I have been told to paint doors today or else, she who must be obeyed has spoken.

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Message 791932 - Posted: 3 Aug 2008, 9:07:13 UTC - in response to Message 791931.
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I think Mark actually got it right.
(modify the app_info.xml and download the astropulse files)


The files to download are in Richards post Beta - AP release soon - 34336



Yes, I understand... Since I didn't update my app_info.xml file or install the AP client files, is it expected that I would be assigned ghost AP workunits?

No, you shouldn't have issued AP units, that is a server problem.

Must check my computers to see if I have been allocated AP here. Don't want them here yet have enough of them at Beta. That could be a long job and I have been told to paint doors today or else, she who must be obeyed has spoken.


Yes... The servers are sending out ghosts... and it's going to be a month 'til they are re-issued.

Does anybody know how to edit my client_state.xml file to force a resend of the missing file? I am not afraid of the consequences.

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@WinterKnight : here's one
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Message 791939 - Posted: 3 Aug 2008, 10:04:51 UTC - in response to Message 791930.
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Modifying the app_info file is not enough. The app_info file is used to inform the download server that the computer is capable of doing that type of work and you have suitable apps in place. If the apps haven't been installed then the data is downloaded but with no app in place.... CRASH.


Well since Seti, who was once my primary account is now a backup account in case einstein is down I'll abort the worklunit and let both my wingman and I off the hook. I really don't want to waste a week of my computer time doing a workunit that may not even get credit until sometime in Oct. Best that he and I are both out and maybe it can be assigned to others that are prepared for this eventuality.

It's really a shame as the austropulse work seems to tie in with einstein's type of scientific work and I think it would be reall nice to have that here and possibly a way to help obtain the desperate needed funging Matt and the guys need to keep thing running.
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Message 791945 - Posted: 3 Aug 2008, 10:39:29 UTC

After reading this thread I thought i'd better run through and update all of my crunchers. I ran across this in one of the logs:

03-Aug-2008 01:35:28 [SETI@home] [error] State file error: missing application astropulse
03-Aug-2008 01:35:28 [SETI@home] [error] Can't handle task ap_02jl08aa_B0_P1_00330_20080802_07749.wu in scheduler reply
03-Aug-2008 01:35:28 [SETI@home] [error] State file error: missing task ap_02jl08aa_B0_P1_00330_20080802_07749.wu
03-Aug-2008 01:35:28 [SETI@home] [error] Can't handle task ap_02jl08aa_B0_P1_00330_20080802_07749.wu_0 in scheduler reply

So it looks like it tried to give me one. Strange thing is I can't find when I look at My Account -> My Computers -> Tasks. I also tried My Acccount -> All tasks and can't find it listed there either. The tasks for the computer are here
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Message 791949 - Posted: 3 Aug 2008, 10:56:02 UTC - in response to Message 791945.

After reading this thread I thought i'd better run through and update all of my crunchers. I ran across this in one of the logs:

03-Aug-2008 01:35:28 [SETI@home] [error] State file error: missing application astropulse
03-Aug-2008 01:35:28 [SETI@home] [error] Can't handle task ap_02jl08aa_B0_P1_00330_20080802_07749.wu in scheduler reply
03-Aug-2008 01:35:28 [SETI@home] [error] State file error: missing task ap_02jl08aa_B0_P1_00330_20080802_07749.wu
03-Aug-2008 01:35:28 [SETI@home] [error] Can't handle task ap_02jl08aa_B0_P1_00330_20080802_07749.wu_0 in scheduler reply

So it looks like it tried to give me one. Strange thing is I can't find when I look at My Account -> My Computers -> Tasks. I also tried My Acccount -> All tasks and can't find it listed there either. The tasks for the computer are here

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Message 791960 - Posted: 3 Aug 2008, 11:19:02 UTC - in response to Message 791932.

snipped......
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@WinterKnight : here's one
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Thanks for looking, for me that proves that there is a server problem. Because I have definitely not tried to get AP here. I have 4 plus 13% from beta.

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Message 791978 - Posted: 3 Aug 2008, 12:02:00 UTC

If you are using anonymous platform, how does the server know if you have all applications installed on you computer? Does it have any other way but to send AstroPulse WU's? Then BOINC could report back to server that applications were not found and mark the WU's in question rejected or something.
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