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Message 30419 - Posted: 27 Sep 2004, 0:51:15 UTC
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Sometimes some of the WU BOINC downloads go over the Report Deadline date (for a many good deal of possible reasons) before being processed.
If these units results aren't going to be taken into account for nothing, why isn't implemented into the client the release of these units after the due date is passed?
It seem's logical to ignore this WU's and move on to processing others in the qeue doesn't it?

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Message 30425 - Posted: 27 Sep 2004, 0:58:28 UTC - in response to Message 30419.  

> Sometimes some of the WU BOINC downloads go over the Report Deadline date (for
> a many good deal of possible reasons).
> If these units results aren't going to be taken into account for nothing, why
> isn't implemented into the client the release of these units after the due
> date is passed?
> It seem's logical to ignore this WU's and move on to processing others in the
> qeue doesn't it?
>
> Thanx.
>
Not necessarily. In the case earlier this summer, the scheduler was down for a month, no work was handed out, no work could be handed in, and no verification was possible. In this case discarding any WUs in favor of downloading new WUs would have turned off crunching. In any case, your WU can contribute slightly to the science if it is only slightly late. If the WU comes in before its replacement, it will get credit if it can be verified as the same.
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Message 30431 - Posted: 27 Sep 2004, 1:15:37 UTC
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The problem is that when things are flowing relatively well (despite of all the latest hickups) the client sometimes gets many WU in this situation and there is no way to ignore these WU, automatically or even manually.
The client will crunch them before moving on to the others in the qeue, possibly contributing to some of the next units to become in this state also because of the lost time processing the one's that were overdue.

For example, in one of my PC's I have 14 WU that were due on the 26th and the client will waste time processing those before moving on to the other that are still on time.
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Message 30472 - Posted: 27 Sep 2004, 4:48:19 UTC

Hi All,
I was reading the posts and began wondering why we cannot just delete the Out Dated Wu's from our project folder instead of wasting time crunching them. I am hoping we can do this without resetting the project because I have several WU's that will expire on the morning of the 28th of Sept. But I have additional Wu's that do not expire until Oct 8.
Is this even possible to delete items out of project file, or do you have to delete them from the State file also.

Have A Great Day And A Better Tomorrow!

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Message 30476 - Posted: 27 Sep 2004, 5:24:41 UTC

Some new WU abort functionality is being introduce in future versions of the core client.

I've been working on the cross platform UI for the last week or two...

I think we'll have something to show the public in the comming weeks.

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Message 30518 - Posted: 27 Sep 2004, 9:33:52 UTC - in response to Message 30476.  

> Some new WU abort functionality is being introduce in future versions of the
> core client.
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> I've been working on the cross platform UI for the last week or two...
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> I think we'll have something to show the public in the comming weeks.
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> ----- Rom

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Message 30541 - Posted: 27 Sep 2004, 11:49:16 UTC - in response to Message 30472.  
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> Hi All,
> I was reading the posts and began wondering why we cannot just delete the
> Out Dated Wu's from our project folder instead of wasting time crunching them.
> I am hoping we can do this without resetting the project because I have
> several WU's that will expire on the morning of the 28th of Sept. But I have
> additional Wu's that do not expire until Oct 8.
> Is this even possible to delete items out of project file, or do you have to
> delete them from the State file also.
>
I'm looking forward for the proposed WU abort functionality too, but currently... If you delete the outdated WUs, they will be automatically downloaded again upon attempt to crunch them (maybe, while still not toooo late? This could indicate that the WU is still usable "before its replacement" and will possibly be credited. Someone more experienced could tell us).

So, you have to stop BOINC, remove all blocks mentioning the concerned WUs from the client_state.xml file (file_info, workunit, result, active_task, etc.) and start the BOINC again.

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Message 30548 - Posted: 27 Sep 2004, 12:32:01 UTC - in response to Message 30476.  

> Some new WU abort functionality is being introduce in future versions of the
> core client.
>
> I've been working on the cross platform UI for the last week or two...
>
> I think we'll have something to show the public in the comming weeks.
>
> ----- Rom

> BOINC Development Team, U.C. Berkeley


Hi,

Will the new GUI do both GUI and command line mode.In linux etc.. it is usefull to run command line mode with the GUI capable of being started and talk to it or if no comamnd line running at all start as pure GUI.

Dimilar in windows to run boinc as a service and have the GUI talk to the service stub or if not running at all start as pure GUI.

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Message 30564 - Posted: 27 Sep 2004, 14:35:07 UTC

Thanks Rom,
I eagerly await the changes!

Regards,

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Message 30597 - Posted: 27 Sep 2004, 17:15:22 UTC - in response to Message 30548.  

> Will the new GUI do both GUI and command line mode.In linux etc.. it is
> usefull to run command line mode with the GUI capable of being started and
> talk to it or if no comamnd line running at all start as pure GUI.
>
> Dimilar in windows to run boinc as a service and have the GUI talk to the
> service stub or if not running at all start as pure GUI.

The GUI and the client are going to be decoupled for all platforms. So by default on windows, it'll be installed as a service and the GUI will be able to talk to it via the GUI RPC's.

It'll be the same for Linux, Mac, and Solaris.

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Message 30605 - Posted: 27 Sep 2004, 17:42:13 UTC - in response to Message 30597.  

> > Will the new GUI do both GUI and command line mode.In linux etc.. it is
> > usefull to run command line mode with the GUI capable of being started
> and
> > talk to it or if no comamnd line running at all start as pure GUI.
> >
> > Dimilar in windows to run boinc as a service and have the GUI talk to
> the
> > service stub or if not running at all start as pure GUI.
>
> The GUI and the client are going to be decoupled for all platforms. So by
> default on windows, it'll be installed as a service and the GUI will be able
> to talk to it via the GUI RPC's.
>
> It'll be the same for Linux, Mac, and Solaris.
>

Great move....

Keep up the good development work.


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Message 30674 - Posted: 27 Sep 2004, 22:11:42 UTC - in response to Message 30597.  

Rom,

Excellent!!

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> The GUI and the client are going to be decoupled for all platforms. So by
> default on windows, it'll be installed as a service and the GUI will be able
> to talk to it via the GUI RPC's.
>
> It'll be the same for Linux, Mac, and Solaris.
>

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Message 30693 - Posted: 28 Sep 2004, 0:33:12 UTC
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Thanx for the info Rom.

Keep the good work.
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