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Dominique Send message Joined: 3 Mar 05 Posts: 1628 Credit: 74,745 RAC: 0 |
Want some torture with your peanuts? Aviation Security BY P. JEFFREY BLACK & JEFFREY DENNING Just when you thought you’ve heard it all... A senior government official with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has expressed great interest in a so-called safety bracelet that would serve as a stun device, similar to that of a police Taser®. According to a promotional video found at the Lamperd Less Lethal website, the bracelet would be worn by all airline passengers. This bracelet would: • take the place of an airline boarding pass • contain personal information about the traveler • be able to monitor the whereabouts of each passenger and his/her luggage • shock the wearer on command, completely immobilizing him/her for several minutes The Electronic ID Bracelet, as it’s referred to as, would be worn by every traveler “until they disembark the flight at their destination.†Yes, you read that correctly. Every airline passenger would be tracked by a government-funded GPS, containing personal, private and confidential information, and that it would shock the customer worse than an electronic dog collar if he/she got out of line? Clearly the Electronic ID Bracelet is an euphuism for the EMD Safety Bracelet, or at least it has a nefarious hidden ability, thus the term ID Bracelet is ambiguous at best. EMD stands for Electro-Musclar Disruption. Again, according to the promotional video the bracelet can completely immobilize the wearer for several minutes. So is the government really that interested in this bracelet? Yes! According to a letter from DHS official, Paul S. Ruwaldt of the Science and Technology Directorate, office of Research and Development, to the inventor whom he had previously met with, he wrote, “To make it clear, we [the federal government] are interested in…the immobilizing security bracelet, and look forward to receiving a written proposal.†The letterhead, in case you were wondering, came from the DHS office at the William J. Hughes Technical Center at the Atlantic City International Airport, or the Federal Aviation Administration headquarters. In another part of the letter, Mr. Ruwaldt confirmed, “It is conceivable to envision a use to improve air security, on passenger planes.†Would every paying airline passenger flying on a commercial airplane be mandated to wear one of these devices? I cringe at the thought. Not only could it be used as a physical restraining device, but also as a method of interrogation, according to the same aforementioned letter from Mr. Ruwaldt. Would you let them put one of those on your wrist? Would you allow the airline employees, which would be mandated by the government, to place such a bracelet on any member of your family? Why are tax dollars being spent on something like this? Is this a police state or is it America? As we have just celebrated July 4th, Independence Day, I can’t help but think of the blessing we have of living in America and being free from hostile government forces. It calls to mind on of my favorite speeches given by an American Founding Forefather, Patrick Henry, who said, “Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!†|
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
Thank you Dominique. . "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
jason_gee Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0 |
Fantastic!, Now not only does the crazed criminal ( or insert your choice of hijacker here) only have to work out how to circumvent the device by inserting a business card under the electrodes, or similar method, but need only take a single hostage to immobilise the whole plane full of people, possibly without even having to smuggle any kind of weapon on board! great idea....not! "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
Bush's great utopia is coming in a State near you. It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
Sparrow Send message Joined: 4 Apr 08 Posts: 85 Credit: 32,789 RAC: 0 |
"Would you let them put one of those on your wrist? Would you allow the airline employees, which would be mandated by the government, to place such a bracelet on any member of your family?" They could try... Of course, if they tazed me a few times, while water boarding me, I'm sure I'd stop objecting. "Why are tax dollars being spent on something like this?" It may be too late to stop these people. They're powerful, rich, and utterly mad. "Is this a police state or is it America?" It is America, it is almost a completed police state, and about all they have to do to make it official is change the spelling..."Amerika" "Good against remotes is one thing. Good against the living, that's something else." (Han Solo) |
Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
It may be too late to stop these people. They're powerful, rich, and utterly mad. And they are EXACTLY the way my Holy books described them to be... ;) (But I'm sure that was just another 'coincidence'.) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Want some torture with your peanuts? We wish to clear up any misconceptions regarding the EMD Safety Bracelet for Airline Security. Hope that's cleared up the "misconceptions". However, before we get too concerned, it's probably worthwhile reading the DHS letter, where it seems clear the primary use envisioned is in law enforcement (hand cuffs with a kick), the improvement to air security looks like a bit of an afterthought, and I suspect will never see the light of day. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
Guilty until proven innocent... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
Cameras on every street corner, stun hand cuffs with tracking devices, but no money for education or medical. Horse fritters. . "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
Howdy all Yes, a lot of craziness about in the land. I knew when the 2nd plane hit the WTC towers that things would never be the same. I was not so much worried about our attackers but what nutty responses we would have here in the States that would change our everyday lives. It's a tough problem. I would have to give up some level of freedom to combat the threats upcoming.. I was willing to do this but only when there were sane responses. In a way the terrorists have won by altering our life style. Bill |
MrGray Send message Joined: 17 Aug 05 Posts: 3170 Credit: 60,411 RAC: 0 |
Those who ran the false flag op altered it for us. One more attack and we'll agree to burn the constitution and nuke the planet. . "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss |
Sparrow Send message Joined: 4 Apr 08 Posts: 85 Credit: 32,789 RAC: 0 |
Bill wrote: "I was not so much worried about our attackers but what nutty responses we would have here in the States that would change our everyday lives." I had the same thoughts at the same time, Bill. And events have shown, I think, that we as a nation don't have the courage to keep our freedom. The minute there's a real risk--actually a very remote one--of an attack on civilians, we sell our freedom out faster than a crack addict can steal an Ipod. As far as I'm concerned, it pure disgusting cowardice. We're all going to die. It's just a matter when, where, and how. I'd rather take my chances, rather see my children assume the risk, than to give up one word of the Bill of Rights or live in a police state that tortures and murders people, but it's already happening. I used to think those guys with "Live Free or Die" bunmper stickers were wackos, and maybe they were. But they had that part right, at least. "Good against remotes is one thing. Good against the living, that's something else." (Han Solo) |
Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
"Live Free or Die" I've already made my decision... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . . |
Aristoteles Doukas Send message Joined: 11 Apr 08 Posts: 1091 Credit: 2,140,913 RAC: 0 |
"Live Free or Die" that was not decision, it was written in genes all along. now it is only problem how to reverse the continuing violates of rights that belongs every human in earth regardless of where and how they happen to live, especially cause it is affecting our lives too, not like in usa but still, i did not had anything to do with the whole thing, and still i am suffering the consequence's alongside six billion people. |
Clyde C. Phillips, III Send message Joined: 2 Aug 00 Posts: 1851 Credit: 5,955,047 RAC: 0 |
I've noticed that Tasers kill sometimes. My guess is that it shocks the heart into fibrillation, causing it to wiggle instead of pump blood. So I guess it's weighing them against lack of security. Maybe nearby defibrillators and people trained to use them (without having to look at the instructions) would help. |
Mac Girl. Send message Joined: 15 Mar 06 Posts: 679 Credit: 15,042 RAC: 0 |
Well I suppose it had to happen sooner or later? Oh by the way, suppose one of the air stewards just happens not to like a particular passenger? I bet their fingers will be itching to stun the poor wretch. I would never put my faith in human nature - or the State. 'No one can make you inferior without your consent.' Eleanor Roosevelt. |
Dominique Send message Joined: 3 Mar 05 Posts: 1628 Credit: 74,745 RAC: 0 |
Making Americans Unsafe by Paul Craig Roberts July 18, 2008 The Bush Regime’s "terrorist" protection schemes have reached the height of total incompetence and utter absurdity. According to the American Civil Liberties Union, a private organization that defends the US Constitution that inattentive Americans neglect, there are now one million names on the "terrorist" watch list. One of them is that of former Assistant US Attorney General Jim Robinson, whose top security clearances are current. Every time Mr. Robinson flies away on business, he is delayed by a totally incompetent "terrorist" protection racket that cannot tell a person named Jim Robinson, who served in the highest echelons of the US government, from a Muslim terrorist. What confidence can we have in a regime that is incapable of differentiating an Assistant US Attorney General from a terrorist? Mr. Robinson said: "If I were convinced that America is a safer place because I get hassled at the airport, I might put up with it, but I doubt it. I expect my story is similar to hundreds of thousands of people who are on this list and find themselves inconvenienced." "Hundreds of thousands of people" on a watch list that they have no business being on? Yes. "Members of Congress, nuns, war heroes and other ‘suspicious characters,’ with names like Robert Johnson and Gary Smith, have become trapped in the Kafkaesque clutches of this list, with little hope of escape," said Caroline Fredrickson, director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office. And this is America, not Stalin's Russia? How can Airport "Security" possibly protect anyone when the idiots cannot differentiate a high-level American government official from a terrorist? Do you really believe there are one million terrorists and nothing has blown up in the US since September 11, 2001 (assuming you believe the government’s account of that episode)? How can there possibly be 1,000,000 terrorists and America still be in one piece? If there were 1,000,000 terrorists, America would be in ruins. According to the Bush Regime’s line, it only took a handful of terrorists to destroy America’s tallest skyscrapers and a section of the Pentagon and to send the President of the United States scurrying to a hiding place. One million terrorists could bring America to its knees, and they wouldn’t need to fly on airplanes to accomplish this. What we are witnessing with the one million person "watch list" is bureaucracy run amok. One Million Terrorists makes the danger seem overwhelming. Such overwhelming danger rationalizes the aggressive behavior of the bullies and thugs attracted by the power of confiscating your toothpaste and bottled water and riffling your belongings in your luggage.
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Aristoteles Doukas Send message Joined: 11 Apr 08 Posts: 1091 Credit: 2,140,913 RAC: 0 |
let´s hope you can chance your way on next election. |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Making Americans Unsafe This is more frighening than the remote possibility of being given bracelets that shock when boarding a plane, because this is already here. 'Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?' Quite. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Rush Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 3131 Credit: 302,569 RAC: 0 |
And yet, any number of you guys just LOVE taking away power from individuals and handing it wholesale to the gov't--along with extry taxes to pay for it. When you see police beating protestors--that's gov't force. War in Iraq: gov't force. Punitive confiscation of income: gov't force. Corporate welfare: gov't force. You see, it's ALL gov't force. The list is endless. If you can understand why you like using it against others when you agree with it--then you can understand why they like using it against you when they agree with it. You asked for it, Brother. You should be thrilled. Cordially, Rush elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com Remove the obvious... |
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