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Message 780707 - Posted: 8 Jul 2008, 13:23:33 UTC

Here's quite a neat idea for getting three Global leaders to wake up a little using direct worldwide advertising!

Harper, Fukuda, Bush: Climate 2020!

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Message 780709 - Posted: 8 Jul 2008, 13:29:08 UTC

...And for contrast, here's quite an interesting global weather forecast for the near term and far term from a very different (activist) leader:

The World of 2108

Rather gloomy and despondent for the short term. Very optimistic for the longer term. In short: The changes of millennia but compressed by Mankind into a mere few decades... Quite an "Ouch"!

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Message 781294 - Posted: 9 Jul 2008, 22:35:27 UTC
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And the result is?

Bush signs G8 deal to halve greenhouse gas emissions by 2050

Pretty good eh?! Or is it...?

Green groups slammed the deal, although they privately acknowledged that Bush has shifted his position substantially from a time when he denied the science of climate change.

Friends of the Earth's international climate campaigner, Tom Picken, accused G8 leaders of an "elaborate smokescreen" to try to fool the world they were showing international leadership on global warming.

"Setting a vague target for 42 years' time is utterly ineffectual in the fact of the global catastrophe we all face. Urgent action is needed to tackle climate change and spiralling energy prices caused by our addiction to increasingly expensive and insecure fossil fuels."

The EU commission said any mention of mid-term goals was an advance from last year when the G8 agreed only to "seriously consider" a goal of halving emissions by mid-century.

Yvo de Boer, head of the UN climate change secretariat, said the G8 deal had positive elements, but warned: "What I find lacking is any kind of language on where industrialised nations, G8 nations, want their emissions to be in 2020 and I think that is critical to making progress in the negotiations."



A nearer reality is more:

100 months to save the Earth

Or do we just roll over and enjoy an apocalypse towards an ELLE?


And so what can anyone do?

Tell your political representative that you want them to manage with your help a controlled change sooner rather than too late. Change is coming. The question is how disastrous we might make it...


Good luck to all.

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Message 781304 - Posted: 9 Jul 2008, 22:56:56 UTC

You have to laugh for fear of crying,

The general public is so busy trying to make money and operate that they just don't care or know what is happening, and those in power who know don't care! They have all the money in the world but just can't stop until they have it all.

Result: We're coming to an end by our own hand.


Someone please help.



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Message 781333 - Posted: 10 Jul 2008, 17:31:15 UTC

Please, please stop me crying!

Oh boy, it used to be blamed on atmospheric nuclear testing.
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Message 781390 - Posted: 10 Jul 2008, 21:29:08 UTC

Anyone seen what's happening at the North Pole, at this very moment?

noaa2 webcam, North Pole

As of 13:23 Tuesday 08 July 2008, it's +1.5 deg C, and the ice is thin and melting.


I hope the webcam hasn't sunk into the (open) sea!...

Now... When was the last time there was no ice at the North Pole I wonder...

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Message 781419 - Posted: 10 Jul 2008, 22:20:44 UTC

Don't worry,

They'll photoshop some in for us.



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Message 781465 - Posted: 12 Jul 2008, 6:54:51 UTC - in response to Message 781390.  

Anyone seen what's happening at the North Pole, at this very moment?

noaa2 webcam, North Pole

As of 13:23 Tuesday 08 July 2008, it's +1.5 deg C, and the ice is thin and melting.


I hope the webcam hasn't sunk into the (open) sea!...

Now... When was the last time there was no ice at the North Pole I wonder...

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i remember, it was when i walked with dinosaurs, or did we danced.
anyway long time ago
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Message 781761 - Posted: 12 Jul 2008, 19:33:27 UTC - in response to Message 781390.  
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Anyone seen what's happening at the North Pole, at this very moment?

noaa2 webcam, North Pole

As of 13:23 Tuesday 08 July 2008, it's +1.5 deg C, and the ice is thin and melting.


I hope the webcam hasn't sunk into the (open) sea!...

Now... When was the last time there was no ice at the North Pole I wonder...

Regards,
Martin



I Googled NOAA webcam North Pole and looked at a historic temperature graph there. It showed temperatures just at about freezing during the entire time between June 20 and June 28. I had never thought that it would be so mild there. And we still have the July graph. It should be even warmer then. Up there the Sun just rings the zenith (although the rings are very large, of course) so there's really no diurnal temperature variation. I have understood that at the South Pole the temperature usually varies between -40C and -73C. What a difference!
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Message 782141 - Posted: 13 Jul 2008, 14:02:20 UTC

Can anyone tell me why in the historical record that the CO2 levels rose both before and AFTER the rise in average temperature? Seems to me that if the rise in CO2 levels is the culprit, it would ALWAYS precede the spike in temperature.

Just wondering,

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Message 782298 - Posted: 13 Jul 2008, 18:32:11 UTC - in response to Message 781761.  

I Googled NOAA webcam North Pole and looked at a historic temperature graph there. It showed temperatures just at about freezing

[snip] I have understood that at the South Pole the temperature usually varies between -40C and -73C. What a difference!

Now we know why Santa chose the north pole... ;)
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