Let's see, 3.19, 3.2, 4.05, 4.08, 4.09, all since late June. I've updated, reset project, spent countless hours reading "no schedulers responded", updated preferences like four times, done clean installs of BOINC, sacrificed a goat, visited the shroud of Turin, and man I'm just tired. Just once I had three of my rigs with a full plate of work (4.05 the baby sitter version). Hell, I don't know where the work units went but I've got a load of "ready to report" units that won't go away. This is not user friendly. I don't know who or what tested this mess, but three months in the field and it still sucks. I'm not giving up, but will take a couple of months off to cool down. Color me shut down.

Dont tell me that you never update or reisntall your Windows and dont try to convince me that you use only Linux.



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I'm sure your helpful comment will be a morale booster to the entire community. Thank you for caring.

> I'm sure your helpful comment will be a morale booster to the entire
> community. Thank you for caring.
>
You are participating in SETI project for more than 4 years and you have more than 28 000 WUs submited. Im sure you do remember the initial dificulties with SETI Classic. And I dont understand why do you complain about the "babysitting" with the new SETI - it is a normal, in the beginning at least.
Three months, you say. Are 3 months enough to create a such heavy loaded software like BOINC is supposed to be? Dont forget that BOINC has to manage ALL the projects, not only SETI. We are lucky that there was not a real reset of all stats and we have only few WUs not counted.
Finally - you participate in such projects only because you want to.
Greetings



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> > I'm sure your helpful comment will be a morale booster to the entire
> > community. Thank you for caring.
> >
> You are participating in SETI project for more than 4 years and you have more
> than 28 000 WUs submited. Im sure you do remember the initial dificulties with
> SETI Classic. And I dont understand why do you complain about the
> "babysitting" with the new SETI - it is a normal, in the beginning at least.
> Three months, you say. Are 3 months enough to create a such heavy loaded
> software like BOINC is supposed to be? Dont forget that BOINC has to manage
> ALL the projects, not only SETI. We are lucky that there was not a real reset
> of all stats and we have only few WUs not counted.
> Finally - you participate in such projects only because you want to.
> Greetings

Has anybody looked at this guy's stats? The more I read this, the more there is not to like. Sound and fury.......

> > > I'm sure your helpful comment will be a morale booster to the
> entire
> > > community. Thank you for caring.
> > >
> > You are participating in SETI project for more than 4 years and you have
> more
> > than 28 000 WUs submited. Im sure you do remember the initial dificulties
> with
> > SETI Classic. And I dont understand why do you complain about the
> > "babysitting" with the new SETI - it is a normal, in the beginning at
> least.
> > Three months, you say. Are 3 months enough to create a such heavy loaded
> > software like BOINC is supposed to be? Dont forget that BOINC has to
> manage
> > ALL the projects, not only SETI. We are lucky that there was not a real
> reset
> > of all stats and we have only few WUs not counted.
> > Finally - you participate in such projects only because you want to.
> > Greetings
>
tetvet wrote "Has anybody looked at this guy's stats? The more I read this, the more there is not to like. Sound and fury......."

okay does this make it all better now?
> > You are participating in SETI project for more than 4 years and you have
> more
> > than 28 000 WUs submited. Im sure you do remember the initial dificulties
> with
> > SETI Classic. And I dont understand why do you complain about the
> > "babysitting" with the new SETI - it is a normal, in the beginning at
> least.
> > Three months, you say. Are 3 months enough to create a such heavy loaded
> > software like BOINC is supposed to be? Dont forget that BOINC has to
> manage
> > ALL the projects, not only SETI. We are lucky that there was not a real
> reset
> > of all stats and we have only few WUs not counted.
> > Finally - you participate in such projects only because you want to.
> > Greetings
There, it is said AGAIN, by someone with more stats, does that make it more meaningfull? You NEED to understand that this project is HUGE and we are very small fish in it. Yes the project is a bit behind where the programmers hoped it would be at this point. Yes they are having problems with hardware, something the programmers never imagined they would have, at least not to this extent. But they ARE working their tails off trying to keep not only Seti but the whole Boinc project(s) working and updating as they are supposed too. Do you really think that predictor or pirates or lhc, all Boinc projects btw, operate in a vacumn? They all operate because Berkeley keeps the Boinc software working and updated and communicating with its users. Has the Seti part fallen behind? Yes it has, will it catch up, YES IT WILL!! Does the Seti part have more users than the other programs, YES about 100 times as much AND GROWING!! This makes any Seti issues MUCH more glaring and SEEM to be more problematic than it really is.
Go back to crunching Classic units, and come back in a few months and you will be very impressed with the progress and smoothness with the whole Boinc project.
Oh and the Classic units are now over 45,000!

> > > I'm sure your helpful comment will be a morale booster to the
> entire
> > > community. Thank you for caring.
> > >
> > You are participating in SETI project for more than 4 years and you have
> more
> > than 28 000 WUs submited. Im sure you do remember the initial dificulties
> with
> > SETI Classic. And I dont understand why do you complain about the
> > "babysitting" with the new SETI - it is a normal, in the beginning at
> least.
> > Three months, you say. Are 3 months enough to create a such heavy loaded
> > software like BOINC is supposed to be? Dont forget that BOINC has to
> manage
> > ALL the projects, not only SETI. We are lucky that there was not a real
> reset
> > of all stats and we have only few WUs not counted.
> > Finally - you participate in such projects only because you want to.
> > Greetings
>
> Has anybody looked at this guy's stats? The more I read this, the more there
> is not to like. Sound and fury.......
>


Now why would I look at his Stats, I do not look at my own, cause it not about the numbers it is about the chase.



My name is Pascal and this message has my approval...

It is 10 oclock, do you know what your WUWUs are doing tonight...

Messages like this never cease to amaze me.

If you read the BOINC documentation, the system is specifically designed to deal with "problems" like the schedulers being down. It's designed so the SETI staff can take down the servers for maintenance and not have to worry about lost work.

That wasn't true of "classic" -- if the servers were down you had one work unit that you were currently crunching and that's it (or you ran something like SETIQUEUE to get around that).

So, the project turned off the scheduler overnight -- on purpose. Work units are still being uploaded, and they'll all get reported when it's back.

I'm fascinated by the fact that the "users" (for lack of a better word) demand significantly more reliability than the project needs for smooth operation.

> Let's see, 3.19, 3.2, 4.05, 4.08, 4.09, all since late June. I've updated,
> reset project, spent countless hours reading "no schedulers responded",
> updated preferences like four times, done clean installs of BOINC, sacrificed
> a goat, visited the shroud of Turin, and man I'm just tired. Just once I had
> three of my rigs with a full plate of work (4.05 the baby sitter version).
> Hell, I don't know where the work units went but I've got a load of "ready to
> report" units that won't go away. This is not user friendly. I don't know who
> or what tested this mess, but three months in the field and it still sucks.
> I'm not giving up, but will take a couple of months off to cool down. Color me
> shut down.
>

>
> Has anybody looked at this guy's stats? The more I read this, the more there
> is not to like. Sound and fury.......
>
What's wrong with my stats?
???



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> >
> > Has anybody looked at this guy's stats? The more I read this, the more
> there
> > is not to like. Sound and fury.......
> >
> What's wrong with my stats?
> ???
>
>
>
> <a> href="http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/forum_reply.php?thread=3067&post=17496">
> S@h Berkeley's Staff Friends Club © [/url]
>
Quantum, he is one of those, you know, stats monkeys, he is better than us and more knowledgeable because he has crunched a lot of WUWUs....



My name is Pascal and this message has my approval...

It is 10 oclock, do you know what your WUWUs are doing tonight...

>
> Quantum, he is one of those, you know, stats monkeys, he is better than us and
> more knowledgeable because he has crunched a lot of WUWUs....
>
>
>
> My name is Pascal and this message has my approval...
>
> It is 10 oclock, do you know what your WUWUs are doing tonight...
>
[deu]Ah soooooo....[/deu]
:))))))




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Yeah, Quantum, just ignore morons like Tetvet. To them, Seti isn't about helping science - it's about getting big credit numbers. Some psychologists would consider the possibility that Tetvet is using credits to compensate for a small penis.

Pascal and Matt,
Thanks guys :)




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Slightly unfair just to slap names on people you don't know, and so have no idea of their motivation and intent.

I know of individuals with between 10 and 70+ PCs AT HOME - apart from the thousands of pounds the hardware cost them, they support several hundred of pounds per month of electricity costs.

The SCIENCE is BENEFITING from these guys - why they do it, might seem odd, but it is their choice.

But I can fully understand that investing in getting credit for making the top 99.999% of all 'crunchers' has merit. Likewise, I can see why watching the last couple of hundreds of pounds worth of electricity gone to waste is frustrating.



> Yeah, Quantum, just ignore morons like Tetvet. To them, Seti isn't about
> helping science - it's about getting big credit numbers. Some psychologists
> would consider the possibility that Tetvet is using credits to compensate for
> a small penis.
>

Yes, it is quite unfair to judge people you don't know. Too bad Tetvet decided to set the precident for this thread by implying Quantum's opinion didn't count because his credit number wasn't as high.

Anyway, Mike, I have a radical, CRAZY idea, that perhaps you could ponder? We can all agree that Boinc has had bugs since it's inception, and still has them. Perhaps, with all of the crunching we're doing, we're helping the Boinc people find, diagnose, and fix the bugs and problems?

If nobody ran Boinc because of the first bug/problem to arise, then the Boinc people would never find any of the other bugs because nobody would be running the program to run into them! We're helping them find bugs, just by running the software! Not all help can be measured in credit, but somepeople don't care - they only care about the kind of helping that results in credits next to their name.

Don't hurt yourself pondering this simple idea.