Think Again Thursday (Apr 10 2008)

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Matt Lebofsky Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project scientist Send message Joined: 1 Mar 99 Posts: 1375 Credit: 74,079 RAC: 0	Message 736948 - Posted: 10 Apr 2008, 17:53:43 UTC
	We thought we had the hardware problem with the workunit download server diagnosed, but looks like we were wrong. False positive. The good news is that the kind folks who donated the thing have another ready to ship. But until we get it, that probably means potential random resets all weekend. Jeff just put an /etc/rc script in place so that upon reset/reboot there's a chance it'll be operational, meaning short glitches instead of multi-hour outages. That's the hope anyway. We might actually test that later today (if it doesn't reset itself on its own). There was discussion about how to implement a second workunit storage server so we don't have this single point of failure anymore. Not as easy as it sounds. - Matt ____________ -- BOINC/SETI@home network/web/science/development person -- "Any idiot can have a good idea. What is hard is to do it." - Jeanne-Claude
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John Clark Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 15814 Credit: 4,356,364 RAC: 130	Message 736949 - Posted: 10 Apr 2008, 17:56:20 UTC
	Thanks for the update. Back tracking is a pain, and implementing a solution is never easy when the reason appeared to have been identified. Keep your chin up, as it will sort out eventually ____________ It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues
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Andy Worth Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 23 Oct 02 Posts: 5576 Credit: 10,100,013 RAC: 7,638	Message 736957 - Posted: 10 Apr 2008, 18:06:25 UTC
	Ah, "Thinking Thursday" - whoever would have thought it? :D LOL. Thanks for the update AND the hard work :) ____________
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gomeyer Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 May 99 Posts: 488 Credit: 50,031,046 RAC: 1	Message 737041 - Posted: 10 Apr 2008, 20:39:07 UTC
	Matt, When you get a chance could you kick BETA? Thanks again for the hard work!
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Richard Haselgrove Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 7458 Credit: 39,600,481 RAC: 32,780	Message 737048 - Posted: 10 Apr 2008, 20:54:52 UTC - in response to Message 737041.
	Matt, When you get a chance could you kick BETA? Thanks again for the hard work! And the download server, if the current slowdown isn't a deliberate test/repair.
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Matt Lebofsky Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project scientist Send message Joined: 1 Mar 99 Posts: 1375 Credit: 74,079 RAC: 0	Message 737053 - Posted: 10 Apr 2008, 21:08:59 UTC
	Don't expect much joy for the next 10 hours in beta or the public project - the latest reset triggered a full RAID resync, which will take at least that long. In theory we could run the project while the devices sync up, but due to the extra I/O that will take about two weeks to complete. Sigh. - Matt ____________ -- BOINC/SETI@home network/web/science/development person -- "Any idiot can have a good idea. What is hard is to do it." - Jeanne-Claude
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Dr. C.E.T.I. Send message Joined: 29 Feb 00 Posts: 15969 Credit: 624,763 RAC: 254	Message 737077 - Posted: 10 Apr 2008, 22:09:59 UTC Last modified: 10 Apr 2008, 22:12:46 UTC
	. . . Thanks for Posting Matt - Nice goin' @ Berkeley > things are workin' better here w/ my boxes @ least ;O < thought You might like a 'slight' distraction; . . . *Thinking Thursday: Magic and* Ethics . . . an ethical dilemma thatâ€™s obscure and on the surface, meaningless. However, to a certain subset of a subset of people, itâ€™s a huge problem that we wrestle with constantly, almost every single time we interact with the public edit: nice edit Matt ;) ____________ BOINC Wiki . . . Science Status Page . . .**
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gomeyer Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 May 99 Posts: 488 Credit: 50,031,046 RAC: 1	Message 737099 - Posted: 10 Apr 2008, 23:10:53 UTC - in response to Message 737053.
	Don't expect much joy for the next 10 hours in beta or the public project - the latest reset triggered a full RAID resync, which will take at least that long. In theory we could run the project while the devices sync up, but due to the extra I/O that will take about two weeks to complete. Sigh. - Matt C'est la vie . . .
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Savant Send message Joined: 13 Mar 08 Posts: 12 Credit: 242,729 RAC: 0	Message 737161 - Posted: 11 Apr 2008, 0:46:59 UTC Last modified: 11 Apr 2008, 0:48:01 UTC
	You do your best and we'll do ours (or is that hours? I do mine with recycled electrons to keep the cost down. Stan Fockner
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VBobier Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 40780 Credit: 32,071,867 RAC: 19,563	Message 737211 - Posted: 11 Apr 2008, 3:18:25 UTC - in response to Message 737053.
	Don't expect much joy for the next 10 hours in beta or the public project - the latest reset triggered a full RAID resync, which will take at least that long. In theory we could run the project while the devices sync up, but due to the extra I/O that will take about two weeks to complete. Sigh. - Matt Well 10 hours is better than 336 hours(2 weeks). :D ____________ BSG Anthem My Facebook page
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PhonAcq Send message Joined: 14 Apr 01 Posts: 1620 Credit: 20,863,388 RAC: 4,517	Message 737213 - Posted: 11 Apr 2008, 3:23:29 UTC
	It's at times like these I wonder if it would be better to scale back the project, fix/perfect the issues, and then restart the growth cycle. Not doing so seems like a huge psycho-strain by everyone and a source of volunteer-distress. Another solution would be to rally the user base so that at a given UTC time we all chug 20oz of our individually favorite local brew together, as a team. That may lead to the only real manifestation of global warming, and concurrently may be the only true relief of our user/volunteer angst. I sugeest 1400UTC on Friday, April 11, but am open to alternative times and dates. (Obviously, I'm willing to risk the short term global water shortage when 20m later we all process our beer down the toilet. Life is not worth living unless you risk a bit.)
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1mp0£173 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 8423 Credit: 356,897 RAC: 0	Message 737217 - Posted: 11 Apr 2008, 3:36:19 UTC - in response to Message 737213.
	It's at times like these I wonder if it would be better to scale back the project, fix/perfect the issues, and then restart the growth cycle. Not doing so seems like a huge psycho-strain by everyone and a source of volunteer-distress. Another solution would be to rally the user base so that at a given UTC time we all chug 20oz of our individually favorite local brew together, as a team. That may lead to the only real manifestation of global warming, and concurrently may be the only true relief of our user/volunteer angst. I sugeest 1400UTC on Friday, April 11, but am open to alternative times and dates. (Obviously, I'm willing to risk the short term global water shortage when 20m later we all process our beer down the toilet. Life is not worth living unless you risk a bit.) I won't argue against beer drinking, although 1400UTC is a little early here. I may run out of work for the first time in years, which is saying something since I usually don't carry much of a cache. Then again, I might not run out of work. So, just in case, I've reattached to LHC, since they seem to have work, and I'll still be here tomorrow when the download server will likely be back up. ____________
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Scarecrow Send message Joined: 15 Jul 00 Posts: 4345 Credit: 415,998 RAC: 184	Message 737233 - Posted: 11 Apr 2008, 4:43:53 UTC
	In keeping with the current theme (beer drinking not excluded) I have the perfect title for tomorrow's thread. (Trying Tuesday, Working Wednesday, Think again Thursday)..... ooops... never mind.... the censor won't let me post my thread title suggestion. ;)
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1mp0£173 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 8423 Credit: 356,897 RAC: 0	Message 737236 - Posted: 11 Apr 2008, 4:52:39 UTC - in response to Message 737233.
	In keeping with the current theme (beer drinking not excluded) I have the perfect title for tomorrow's thread. (Trying Tuesday, Working Wednesday, Think again Thursday)..... ooops... never mind.... the censor won't let me post my thread title suggestion. ;) Think Battlestar Galactica.... ____________
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Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 11987 Credit: 17,965,736 RAC: 59,067	Message 737240 - Posted: 11 Apr 2008, 5:27:32 UTC Last modified: 11 Apr 2008, 5:28:00 UTC
	Could always do Fukitol Friday. For those that don't know what that is, I can provide a link to the infomercial if you PM me. ;-)
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Scarecrow Send message Joined: 15 Jul 00 Posts: 4345 Credit: 415,998 RAC: 184	Message 737241 - Posted: 11 Apr 2008, 5:31:25 UTC - in response to Message 737240.
	Could always do Fukitol Friday. For those that don't know what that is, I can provide a link to the infomercial if you PM me. ;-) BINGO!
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Iona Send message Joined: 12 Jul 07 Posts: 501 Credit: 2,277,728 RAC: 1,913	Message 737242 - Posted: 11 Apr 2008, 5:32:15 UTC - in response to Message 737233.
	In keeping with the current theme (beer drinking not excluded) I have the perfect title for tomorrow's thread. (Trying Tuesday, Working Wednesday, Think again Thursday)..... ooops... never mind.... the censor won't let me post my thread title suggestion. ;) Your thought was easy to follow and appreciated by me and its great to start the day with a good giggle - although you guys may think differently! I suppose I'll just have to be patient; the odd thing is one of my PCs got more work, only a few minutes before the other tried to get more (and failed). Thats Life, I suppose. ____________ Don't take life too seriously, as you'll never come out of it alive!
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MarkJ Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 17 Feb 08 Posts: 912 Credit: 14,529,758 RAC: 7,349	Message 737333 - Posted: 11 Apr 2008, 12:56:33 UTC - in response to Message 737053.
	Don't expect much joy for the next 10 hours in beta or the public project - the latest reset triggered a full RAID resync, which will take at least that long. In theory we could run the project while the devices sync up, but due to the extra I/O that will take about two weeks to complete. Sigh. - Matt I think the next post should have the subject "running on empty" :-) My machines will soon be out of work, even with 2 days extra cache on most of them. JD's Thurston won't know what to do with itself. ____________ BOINC blog
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WinterKnight Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6801 Credit: 17,075,954 RAC: 28,789	Message 737342 - Posted: 11 Apr 2008, 13:49:47 UTC
	You might be spared running on empty, someone got up early and opened the gates. Cricket graph ____________ Andy Only two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein
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KWSN THE Holy Hand Grenade! Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 20 Dec 05 Posts: 1592 Credit: 4,421,188 RAC: 4,596	Message 737351 - Posted: 11 Apr 2008, 14:49:43 UTC - in response to Message 737342. Last modified: 11 Apr 2008, 14:51:59 UTC
	You might be spared running on empty, someone got up early and opened the gates. Cricket graph No, that's the end of the "ten hours" that Matt mentioned ;), [add] the d/l server is exhibiting its usual signs of laboring under stress - breaking d/l's in the middle, not starting them, refusing to even consider them, etc.[/add] ____________ .
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