If someone[you know W..?] could loan me a fully loaded Skulltrail system (for a year or two), I'd love to benchmark it with the WhalePort of Alex' V8 code.

Hint, Hint...

[edit]Maybe just lift the restrictions on my "Evaluation Licenses", or grant a "Not-For-Profit" license, for ICC & IPP so that I can distribute the app.[/edit]

Yeah, well if this works out......
It will open up a whole new world of crunching.......
Multi chip mobos that CAN be OCd, unlike the Macs.....
Oh boy.........

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Yeah, well if this works out......
It will open up a whole new world of crunching.......
Multi chip mobos that CAN be OCd, unlike the Macs.....
Oh boy.........

. . . And for those of us with mobos that cannot be OC'd (like my out-of-the-box Dell's). A better optimization is the only way we can even try to compete. I sometime get the feeling I'm peddling as hard as I can just to stay where I am. ;-)

Yeah, well if this works out......
It will open up a whole new world of crunching.......
Multi chip mobos that CAN be OCd, unlike the Macs.....
Oh boy.........

. . . And for those of us with mobos that cannot be OC'd (like my out-of-the-box Dell's). A better optimization is the only way we can even try to compete. I sometime get the feeling I'm peddling as hard as I can just to stay where I am. ;-)

Keep peddling.....we are working on a longer set of legs for you.......

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Yeah, well if this works out......
It will open up a whole new world of crunching.......
Multi chip mobos that CAN be OCd, unlike the Macs.....
Oh boy.........

. . . And for those of us with mobos that cannot be OC'd (like my out-of-the-box Dell's). A better optimization is the only way we can even try to compete. I sometime get the feeling I'm peddling as hard as I can just to stay where I am. ;-)

Keep peddling.....we are working on a longer set of legs for you.......

I've been salivating since this thread got started. Believe me that the hard work being done here, and that already done by many others, is very much appreciated.

Yeah, well if this works out......
It will open up a whole new world of crunching.......
Multi chip mobos that CAN be OCd, unlike the Macs.....
Oh boy.........

Maybe... "Speed Limits" could/should be imposed. In the sake of "fairness" for all... NOT!!! ( though it might save more than a few MoBos from going up in smoke ;-)

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I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but IIRC there is another optimization level, in at least one part of the code, for XEON processors, above and beyond the SSSE3/CORE2 stuff I've focused upon to date. Because I do not have the hardware to test on, and due to license restrictions, can not redistribute, I do not know what other performance benefits Alex has coded for the "high end" chips. In this regard, it's possible that the Mac Pro still has an Ace in the hole with regard to the WhalePort.

Regards,
JDWhale

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I would like to make a formal request that the ports to Windows based on Alex Kan's V8 source NOT be released to the general population and all uses of it be terminated. Why?? Sounds like the speed increase is massive and Berkeley is sure to devalue the credit system again in response to the higher speeds.

The Geek ducks for cover, LOL

I would like to make a formal request that the ports to Windows based on Alex Kan's V8 source NOT be released to the general population and all uses of it be terminated. Why?? Sounds like the speed increase is massive and Berkeley is sure to devalue the credit system again in response to the higher speeds.

The Geek ducks for cover, LOL

(Takes a big swing at the Geek as he ducks for cover)...
I hope you have your tongue in your cheek with that remark......LOL.
Yes, so far the tested speed increase is very impressive.......
And Jason should be able to make it available to all fairly soon.....
As to whether Berkeley will even take notice, given the number of crunchers that are likely to adopt it, I don't know if it will have much of an impact project-wide.....but it sure will cruncher-side.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

I would like to make a formal request that the ports to Windows based on Alex Kan's V8 source NOT be released to the general population and all uses of it be terminated. Why?? Sounds like the speed increase is massive and Berkeley is sure to devalue the credit system again in response to the higher speeds.

The Geek ducks for cover, LOL

That will happen when the stock app is improved I believe, as those using optimised applications supposedly only represent some small percentage of crunchers. As Eric K has Alex's code anyway, and for that matter full access to my code repository that will likely happen sometime, eventually, but If I understand correctly he/they are involved with graphics at the moment ... of which this app has none ;D. I don't believe it would be practical to port all the improvements to stock [without paying bucketloads of cash to Intel, and having a huge multi-path dispatching executable], but some of the nice algorithmic ones would probably pay off very well.

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

I would like to make a formal request that the ports to Windows based on Alex Kan's V8 source NOT be released to the general population and all uses of it be terminated. Why?? Sounds like the speed increase is massive and Berkeley is sure to devalue the credit system again in response to the higher speeds.

The Geek ducks for cover, LOL

That will happen when the stock app is improved I believe, as those using optimised applications supposedly only represent some small percentage of crunchers. As Eric K has Alex's code anyway, and for that matter full access to my code repository that will likely happen sometime, eventually, but If I understand correctly he/they are involved with graphics at the moment ... of which this app has none ;D. I don't believe it would be practical to port all the improvements to stock, but some of the nice algorithmic ones would probably pay off very well.

That's always been the limitation......
Seti must support a 'one size fits all' app......
They COULD possibly support adaptive apps that would match the various computer architectures, but it would just be too cumbersome for them to administrate......
So they are a bit more limited in what aspects of the opti apps they are able to incorporate into the stock code..........

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

That's always been the limitation......
Seti must support a 'one size fits all' app......
They COULD possibly support adaptive apps that would match the various computer architectures, but it would just be too cumbersome for them to administrate......
So they are a bit more limited in what aspects of the opti apps they are able to incorporate into the stock code..........

Well just keep it quiet that Intel compiler can embed multiple code paths and automatic dispatching ... errr ooops

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

I would suggest the crunchers applying optimised SETI clients, whatever their origin, is extremely small.

I base this on -

(a) The general SETI crunching community available to the forums, who do not have an interest in posting. That is the great majority of crunchers. This suggests these crunchers are unlikely to be aware of an optimised client, let alone the crunch benefits to the individual user and the project.

(b) Most of the users apply the screen saver versions, which are not catered for in an optimised client.

(c) Finally, the limited number of crunchers that post in the forums and interested in the threads in NC.

Each of these levels is a rapidly diminishing number of users who are likely to want to use an optimised client - let alone a super-efficient port of Alex's code.

I think the comment made earlier that the project is not likely to notice these Alex/JD/Jason/et al code port. So, putting in a further correction factor on credit scoring is very unlikely.

Whoo Hoo! Keep the trials and tweaking going. I salivate to try the code when it is released

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It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues

I would suggest the crunchers applying optimised SETI clients, whatever their origin, is extremely small.

I base this on -

(a) The general SETI crunching community available to the forums, who do not have an interest in posting. That is the great majority of crunchers. This suggests these crunchers are unlikely to be aware of an optimised client, let alone the crunch benefits to the individual user and the project.

(b) Most of the users apply the screen saver versions, which are not catered for in an optimised client.

(c) Finally, the limited number of crunchers that post in the forums and interested in the threads in NC.

Each of these levels is a rapidly diminishing number of users who are likely to want to use an optimised client - let alone a super-efficient port of Alex's code.

I think the comment made earlier that the project is not likely to notice these Alex/JD/Jason/et al code port. So, putting in a further correction factor on credit scoring is very unlikely.

Whoo Hoo! Keep the trials and tweaking going. I salivate to try the code when it is released

I think that you underestimate the number of optimised apps, because you neglect the influence of teams.

One of the reasons we all know of the quality of Alex Kan's code is because it's been widely taken up through the efforts of Team MacNN. Other optimisers have also, historically, had affiliations with other teams, and promoted their particular optimisations through those teams. Regrettably, they have sometimes even tried to apply a veneer of exclusivity, and tried not to make their applications available to the wider community.

This effort, on the other hand, is brilliant. The reported (and independently documented) speed improvements are huge, testing and validation seems to be proceeding as fast as is consistent with thoroughness, and everybody involved (and all the right people seem to be involved) is collaborating to the benefit of all. Well done, a big thumbs up to all of you, and I can't wait to get my hands on a copy!

I would like to make a formal request that the ports to Windows based on Alex Kan's V8 source NOT be released to the general population and all uses of it be terminated. Why?? Sounds like the speed increase is massive and Berkeley is sure to devalue the credit system again in response to the higher speeds.

The Geek ducks for cover, LOL

(Takes a big swing at the Geek as he ducks for cover)...
I hope you have your tongue in your cheek with that remark......LOL.
Yes, so far the tested speed increase is very impressive.......
And Jason should be able to make it available to all fairly soon.....
As to whether Berkeley will even take notice, given the number of crunchers that are likely to adopt it, I don't know if it will have much of an impact project-wide.....but it sure will cruncher-side.

I guess this means We don't need You know Who's help and the guy can go back to His puffball in Whoville where the rest of the Whos are livin.

So what do we call this new seti app?

The JDWhale-Jason&Kitty app?

Of course US non-MAC users will be able to finally stop being passed by the MACs and start to claw our collective way up to the top, sweet.

And for heavens sake don't give any of the code to the project to incorporate or they may pass us again.

I could sure use It right now to keep a fellow frog from overtaking Me in about 45 days or so, sigh.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

I would like to make a formal request that the ports to Windows based on Alex Kan's V8 source NOT be released to the general population and all uses of it be terminated. Why?? Sounds like the speed increase is massive and Berkeley is sure to devalue the credit system again in response to the higher speeds.

The Geek ducks for cover, LOL

(Takes a big swing at the Geek as he ducks for cover)...
I hope you have your tongue in your cheek with that remark......LOL.
Yes, so far the tested speed increase is very impressive.......
And Jason should be able to make it available to all fairly soon.....
As to whether Berkeley will even take notice, given the number of crunchers that are likely to adopt it, I don't know if it will have much of an impact project-wide.....but it sure will cruncher-side.

I guess this means We don't need You know Who's help and the guy can go back to His puffball in Whoville where the rest of the Whos are livin.

So what do we call this new seti app?

The JDWhale-Jason&Kitty app?

Of course US non-MAC users will be able to finally stop being passed by the MACs and start to claw our collective way up to the top, sweet.

And for heavens sake don't give any of the code to the project to incorporate or they may pass us again.

LOL...don't know what nomenclature Jason will give it at this point.....it's his porting after all. And Alex should be given his due also....
But I call it Chicken Plus......in honor of the missing Simon....
The missing cruncher formation........

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

I'd have to suggest that it is Alex Kan's v8.0 for Windows ...
But "Chicken Plus" and "WhaleApp" both work for me to refer to distinguish the two ports ;D

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"Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions.

I'd have to suggest that it is Alex Kan's v8.0 for Windows ...
But "Chicken Plus" and "WhaleApp" both work for me to refer to distinguish the two ports ;D

Yours to choose when you are able to release it.....

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

I would like to make a formal request that the ports to Windows based on Alex Kan's V8 source NOT be released to the general population and all uses of it be terminated. Why?? Sounds like the speed increase is massive and Berkeley is sure to devalue the credit system again in response to the higher speeds.

The Geek ducks for cover, LOL

(Takes a big swing at the Geek as he ducks for cover)...
I hope you have your tongue in your cheek with that remark......LOL.
Yes, so far the tested speed increase is very impressive.......
And Jason should be able to make it available to all fairly soon.....
As to whether Berkeley will even take notice, given the number of crunchers that are likely to adopt it, I don't know if it will have much of an impact project-wide.....but it sure will cruncher-side.

I guess this means We don't need You know Who's help and the guy can go back to His puffball in Whoville where the rest of the Whos are livin.

So what do we call this new seti app?

The JDWhale-Jason&Kitty app?

Of course US non-MAC users will be able to finally stop being passed by the MACs and start to claw our collective way up to the top, sweet.

And for heavens sake don't give any of the code to the project to incorporate or they may pass us again.

LOL...don't know what nomenclature Jason will give it at this point.....it's his porting after all. And Alex should be given his due also....
But I call it Chicken Plus......in honor of the missing Simon....
The missing cruncher formation........

Sounds good, I think We can trust Jason, In the case of the missing cruncher I've got that down pat as I've got 3 running and 1 in storage, It would be two in storage, But that extra AW9D-MAX motherboard will not get repaired soon as I don't have the money right now to do that and no extra ram, heatsink(besides intel stock for the Q6600) or an extra Q6600 cpu so It sits no matter what until after July. Maybe in 2-2.5 years or so.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

I'd have to suggest that it is Alex Kan's v8.0 for Windows ...
But "Chicken Plus" and "WhaleApp" both work for me to refer to distinguish the two ports ;D

Though I'm guilty of possible first coining the "WhaleApp" term, I'd prefer phrased as "WhalePort" if asked ;-D

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I'd have to suggest that it is Alex Kan's v8.0 for Windows ...
But "Chicken Plus" and "WhaleApp" both work for me to refer to distinguish the two ports ;D

Yours to choose when you are able to release it.....

Well since Chickens are Birds and Birds are confirmed to be Dinosaurs(Terrible Lizards), It could've been worse, At least no one wants to call It the Dinosaur app.

Joker runs and hides behind a cloud of a Joker Gas Bomb.

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The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's

What about 'Alex Kan's Chicken Soup'?

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