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Message 951719 - Posted: 2 Dec 2009, 18:34:53 UTC
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I know it is already being discussed in 2 other threads in NC and Cafe, but I think the NEZ story deserves a mention here as well.

I think this story could affect S@h directly, so it deserves some comment from the project staff.

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Just done a Google News search for NEZ or Brad Niesluchowski, that story has gone from about 4 hits this time yesterday to over 90 today.[/edit]

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Message 951740 - Posted: 2 Dec 2009, 19:53:23 UTC - in response to Message 951719.

lets keep the NEZ topics where they are. your post is adequate for ackowledgement of the news item
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Message 956982 - Posted: 17 Dec 2009, 22:43:25 UTC

SETI article on "La Stampa" of Turin.

Traslated in english by Google:
From Galileo to discover an intelligent ET

Original in italian language:
Da Galileo alla scoperta di un E.T. intelligente


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Message 958034 - Posted: 22 Dec 2009, 6:00:38 UTC
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This is a story from the Washington post, a very credible news agency. The story is about the SETI Institute and changing public attitude to SETI style searches. Its a very relevant story;

Search for extraterrestrial life gains momentum around the world;
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/18/AR2009121803605.html?hpid=moreheadlines

Washington Post - written by - Marc Kaufman.

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Message 958542 - Posted: 24 Dec 2009, 17:40:51 UTC

Gianni Urso IZ8ELM of national radio program RapportoRadio
in RapportoRadio - n°43 - (122)

radio interview on radio astronomy, SETI@home and distributed computing with Bruno Moretti Turri IK2WQA (in italian language)


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Message 962878 - Posted: 12 Jan 2010, 12:04:35 UTC

TEDIdeas worth spreading

Garik Israelian is a spectroscopist, studying the spectrum emitted by a star to figure out what it's made of and how it might behave.
It's a rare and accessible look at this discipline, which may be coming close to finding a planet friendly to life.----->Garik Israelian: What's inside a star?



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Message 989953 - Posted: 17 Apr 2010, 23:29:05 UTC

From Ozma to SETI@home in the italian news.

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Message 990751 - Posted: 20 Apr 2010, 23:40:05 UTC - in response to Message 989953.

Article from CNN:

What if there's somebody else out there?
By Jill Tarter, Special to CNN
April 20, 2010 3:51 p.m. EDT

Editor's note: Astronomer Jill Tarter is director of the Center for SETI Research at the SETI Institute. She was awarded the TED Prize in 2009. TED, a nonprofit organization devoted to "Ideas Worth Spreading," hosts talks on many subjects and makes them available through its Web site.

Mountain View, California (CNN) -- At this moment we have reached a major turning point for both science and the public at large. The SETI Institute is now offering the world the first taste of raw SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) data collected by the Allen Telescope Array in California. With this we move closer to fulfilling the institute's mission, which is to search for our beginnings and our place among the stars.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/04/20/tarter.TED.SETI/index.html?hpt=C2

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Message 991035 - Posted: 22 Apr 2010, 5:53:03 UTC

Not being American, I cannot understand why the SETI Institute is ignoring the existence of SETI@home and the BOINC platform. Even if the SETI Institute is ready to give me raw data, how can I process it? I am not a programmer capable of writing his own platform and application. As I said in a post in the Cafe section, SetiQuest seems to me an attempt to reinvent the wheel.
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Message 991811 - Posted: 25 Apr 2010, 11:27:46 UTC - in response to Message 991035.

Not being American, I cannot understand why the SETI Institute is ignoring the existence of SETI@home and the BOINC platform. Even if the SETI Institute is ready to give me raw data, how can I process it? I am not a programmer capable of writing his own platform and application. As I said in a post in the Cafe section, SetiQuest seems to me an attempt to reinvent the wheel.
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I think they want as many different detection scenarios and algorithms as possible, including ideas "outside of the box", perhaps like 1000 different seti@home projects all looking at the same data differently?
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Message 991954 - Posted: 26 Apr 2010, 2:43:25 UTC

In Number Crunching there is a cruncher who owns a grid of 1400 computers and I believe this to be an example of Cloud Computing. He crunches SETI to keep his computers working even when he has no customers. He uses both the BOINC clients for Windows and Linux and the relevant SETI apps. So if a private company uses both BOINC and SETI in a grid connected by Infiniband, I don't see why the SETI Institute could not use the same approach and use a Cloud Computer running BOINC and SETI@home.
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Message 992343 - Posted: 27 Apr 2010, 21:46:32 UTC - in response to Message 991954.
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In Number Crunching there is a cruncher who owns a grid of 1400 computers and I believe this to be an example of Cloud Computing. He crunches SETI to keep his computers working even when he has no customers. He uses both the BOINC clients for Windows and Linux and the relevant SETI apps. So if a private company uses both BOINC and SETI in a grid connected by Infiniband, I don't see why the SETI Institute could not use the same approach and use a Cloud Computer running BOINC and SETI@home.
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This is a "SETI@home in the News"?
Or a totally off-topic in this thread?

Are you able only to criticize the SETI Institute, that you don't know?


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Message 992407 - Posted: 28 Apr 2010, 7:45:21 UTC

I said and I repeat that I cannot understand why the SETI Institute ignores the existence of SETI@home. Maybe you can explain it to me.
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Message 992418 - Posted: 28 Apr 2010, 10:37:56 UTC - in response to Message 992407.
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I said and I repeat that I cannot understand why the SETI Institute ignores the existence of SETI@home.

My understanding is that:

s@h has a long standing tie-in with Arecibo and a data recorder that piggy-backs on the Arecibo receivers to collect data for 'free'. This runs in parallel with various other projects that Berkeley SSL are involved with at Arecibo.

Meanwhile, the Seti Institute (with no connection to Berkeley SSL whatsoever) has made it's own contacts and connections and gained its own funding to make other searches for ET.

Note: There's simply no connection between the two groups. They both are involved in SETI, but in different ways and in different searches. I'm sure they meet at conferences.


On a practical note: I think s@h is busy enough just working with the Arecibo data stream. I guess there is a similar case for the Seti Institute. Hence, there may well be no need for any close cooperation.

If there were to be an 'embarrassing excess' of compute capability, then I would expect terrestrial contact would be made to start sharing data and widening the searches. At the moment, I guess it just isn't a priority to start trying to collect wider data or to convert data formats. There is also the high overhead of calibration and understanding to make it all worthwhile...


For myself, I've got high hopes for the s@h "Nitpicker" showing a rush of 'interesting finds' even if ET still remains quiet.


Hope that's of interest.

Keep searchin',
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Message 992431 - Posted: 28 Apr 2010, 11:53:20 UTC

Both in the "Nature" article of September 16 2009 and the Royal Society Meeting of January 25 2010 chaired by Paul Davies the word "SETI" was only associated with the Allen Telescope Array, whose operating costs are covered by the US Air Force, as said in the same article, and not with Arecibo. I think this is not fair.
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Message 992542 - Posted: 28 Apr 2010, 20:27:47 UTC - in response to Message 992407.
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I said and I repeat that I cannot understand why the SETI Institute ignores the existence of SETI@home. Maybe you can explain it to me.
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You (and only you) think that "SETI Institute ignores the existence of SETI@home".
But this is only one prejudice of yours.
You are informed very, very badly.

SETI Institute NOT ignores the existence of SETI@home.
SETI Institute NOT ignores the existence of SSL of UC Berkeley.
SETI Institute NOT ignores the existence of Dan Werthimer, Eric Korpela & Co.
SETI Institute collaborates with RAL of UC Berkeley.
(Allen Telescope Array is a join venture SETI Institute & RAL)
SETI Institute collaborates with SSL of UC Berkeley.
Example: in SETI Fly’s Eye project at Allen Telescope Array.

And I repeat that this is totally off-topic in "SETI@home in the News" thread!


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Message 992632 - Posted: 29 Apr 2010, 4:06:53 UTC

Then why does not the SETI Institute port its SetiQuest to the BOINC platform, as IBM has done with its World Community Grid? In the BOINC home page there is an article referring to the IBM's port. Since you are so well informed, maybe you can enlighten me.
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Message 992662 - Posted: 29 Apr 2010, 11:03:53 UTC - in response to Message 992632.
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... why does not the SETI Institute port its SetiQuest to the BOINC platform...?

Please read the SetiQuest website. Their page Join the Quest explains:

If you are eager to use your eyes, ears, and mind to help us find anomalies in the data streaming from the Allen Telescope Array - we need you. We need your help to manipulate and explore the real-time data from the telescope...


Looks like they want to stream real-time data from the Allen Array for humans to view to look for anything 'of interest', all in real-time.

For the real-time viewing aspect, that is completely unsuited to what Boinc can support. SetiQuest are doing something that is very different to the s@h analysis and processing.

If, (note the "if",) the SetiQuest data was bundled into WUs and processed offline in batch mode as is done for s@h, then perhaps Boinc would be a good platform to use. However, that looks to be NOT the aim of SetiQuest.

Note from Data/API's:

SETI Institute collects a large amount of interesting data from the sky (to the tune of 100 terabytes per day). We use this data for detecting signals from distant technological civilizations.

We understand that the data can be processed, transformed, correlated and analyzed in many different ways. We are eager to participate with you, in using this data in novel and creative ways.


Compare that to the 'overload' s@h suffers with just a mere few Gigabytes per day...


I'll guess that the 'real-time' aspect is to try to engage people into taking up astronomy as a hobby. Who knows, perhaps the "human signal processing" will find things that the s@h analysis might miss.


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Message 992702 - Posted: 29 Apr 2010, 14:17:38 UTC
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This can be very dangerous, as Fred Hoyle has demonstrated in his "The Black Cloud" book of 1958, the best science fiction book ever written. Real time data can kill us humans.
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Message 992736 - Posted: 29 Apr 2010, 16:58:58 UTC - in response to Message 992632.
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Then why does not the SETI Institute port its SetiQuest to the BOINC platform, as IBM has done with its World Community Grid? In the BOINC home page there is an article referring to the IBM's port. Since you are so well informed, maybe you can enlighten me.
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No comment.

I'm a radio astronomer.
Not expert in geriatrics/psychiatric problems.

And I repeat that this is totally off-topic in "SETI@home in the News" thread!

In italian language: E io ripeto che questo è totalmente fuori tema nel "SETI@home nelle notizie"!


Ehy, spaghetti nonnetta, ma lo capisci l'italiano? O l'hai imparato da bossi?


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