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Message 708626 - Posted: 6 Feb 2008, 1:50:47 UTC

What roles do you think his friends Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson will play? Maybe ol Al as Secretary of State? Just curious what others think.
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Message 708680 - Posted: 6 Feb 2008, 4:26:47 UTC

If Obama becomes President....

Nothing will change. Things won't get any better. He'll promise the world ( or as far as his current promise " change "...Lord only knows what THAT means ) but will fail to deliver. The rich will still be the rich...the poor will still be the poor.
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Message 708697 - Posted: 6 Feb 2008, 5:51:26 UTC

Sharpton and Jackson will not be factors in an Obama White House.

I think you'll see business as usual, with a slightly less colonialist attitude.

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Message 708715 - Posted: 6 Feb 2008, 6:55:04 UTC
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If Obama becomes President...

It will be the first 'generational' transfer of power since, well, forever... Just look at his base...

If we elect another boomer, we will have what we've always had, a population controlled by 'nannies', and more war... Go ahead and hate me for saying it, but you know that I'm right... It's time for a change... ;)

(Unfortunately, Ms Hillary has this one in the bag, and we'll have four more years of 'business as usual'.)
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Message 708797 - Posted: 6 Feb 2008, 15:09:12 UTC - in response to Message 708715.  

If Obama becomes President...

It will be the first 'generational' transfer of power since, well, forever... Just look at his base...

If we elect another boomer, we will have what we've always had, a population controlled by 'nannies', and more war... Go ahead and hate me for saying it, but you know that I'm right... It's time for a change... ;)

(Unfortunately, Ms Hillary has this one in the bag, and we'll have four more years of 'business as usual'.)


No hate here...Just curious what others think. He talks about ending the war...Wonder what he wants to do about Afganistan? Will he just walk away and leave the Taliban and Bin Laden to get stronger?
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Message 708805 - Posted: 6 Feb 2008, 15:44:58 UTC - in response to Message 708797.  

If Obama becomes President...

It will be the first 'generational' transfer of power since, well, forever... Just look at his base...

If we elect another boomer, we will have what we've always had, a population controlled by 'nannies', and more war... Go ahead and hate me for saying it, but you know that I'm right... It's time for a change... ;)

(Unfortunately, Ms Hillary has this one in the bag, and we'll have four more years of 'business as usual'.)


No hate here...Just curious what others think. He talks about ending the war...Wonder what he wants to do about Afganistan? Will he just walk away and leave the Taliban and Bin Laden to get stronger?

I'm always grinning when I think about how he suggested invading Pakistan before everyone could come running up to him yelling, "noo! noo! Don't say that!"


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Message 708808 - Posted: 6 Feb 2008, 15:54:28 UTC - in response to Message 708805.  

If Obama becomes President...

It will be the first 'generational' transfer of power since, well, forever... Just look at his base...

If we elect another boomer, we will have what we've always had, a population controlled by 'nannies', and more war... Go ahead and hate me for saying it, but you know that I'm right... It's time for a change... ;)

(Unfortunately, Ms Hillary has this one in the bag, and we'll have four more years of 'business as usual'.)


No hate here...Just curious what others think. He talks about ending the war...Wonder what he wants to do about Afganistan? Will he just walk away and leave the Taliban and Bin Laden to get stronger?

I'm always grinning when I think about how he suggested invading Pakistan before everyone could come running up to him yelling, "noo! noo! Don't say that!"



I missed that but like it...So maybe he does understand the importance of winning in Afganistan?
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Message 708819 - Posted: 6 Feb 2008, 16:37:33 UTC - in response to Message 708808.  


I missed that but like it...So maybe he does understand the importance of winning in Afganistan?


hiamps...I think the main problem when going into another country to sort out their internal difficulties is that most of the population resents it.

This isn't a country with a long and proud history of democratic rule and no amount of bombing, shooting and arrests is going to change that.

Democracy cannot be imposed from outside, it must be the overwhelming desire of the citizens.

Stepping in to kill off a few warlords only creates opportunities for others to fill the void.

For every "terrorist" or "freedom fighter" arrested or killed, half a dozen more are created out of anger at the action.

It's a no win situation and eventually foreign troops will have to admit that and leave...while claiming victory of course.

I hope Obama or Clinton can communicate this when one of them reaches office.


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Message 708825 - Posted: 6 Feb 2008, 16:47:55 UTC - in response to Message 708819.  


I missed that but like it...So maybe he does understand the importance of winning in Afganistan?


hiamps...I think the main problem when going into another country to sort out their internal difficulties is that most of the population resents it.

This isn't a country with a long and proud history of democratic rule and no amount of bombing, shooting and arrests is going to change that.

Democracy cannot be imposed from outside, it must be the overwhelming desire of the citizens.

Stepping in to kill off a few warlords only creates opportunities for others to fill the void.

For every "terrorist" or "freedom fighter" arrested or killed, half a dozen more are created out of anger at the action.

It's a no win situation and eventually foreign troops will have to admit that and leave...while claiming victory of course.

I hope Obama or Clinton can communicate this when one of them reaches office.




I still remamber 911 and feel Pakistan can't do much more than B*tch...Bin Laden needs to be found no matter where he is or MANY others will fill his shoes. I believe Hillary and McCain know this just not sure where Obama stands.

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Message 719823 - Posted: 29 Feb 2008, 11:15:09 UTC

If Obama becomes President:

If Obama becomes President you will see more Socialist programs put into play.
He is even more liberal than Billary if you can imagine that.
There's talk in Congress of an apology for slavery which could lead to reparations, I think if elected he will sign off on it which will ultimately divide this nation more.

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Message 720067 - Posted: 29 Feb 2008, 22:28:11 UTC - in response to Message 720034.  

If Obama becomes President:

If Obama becomes President you will see more Socialist programs put into play.
He is even more liberal than Billary if you can imagine that.
There's talk in Congress of an apology for slavery which could lead to reparations, I think if elected he will sign off on it which will ultimately divide this nation more.



Where does anyone get the idea that "Liberal" is a "BAD" thing.

lib·er·al (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.
1.
a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
d. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
2.
a. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
b. Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.
3. Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
4. Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.
5.
a. Archaic Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
b. Obsolete Morally unrestrained; licentious.
n.
1. A person with liberal ideas or opinions.
2. Liberal A member of a Liberal political party.


Most of the definition is a "Good" thing. The only negative association is
with the word "Licentious", if your a "Prude".

Even "Laissez-faire" capitalism is associated with "Liberal" trade practices.


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Well if you are a conservative:
3 a: tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions : traditional b: marked by moderation or caution

Then obviously you disagree with the concept of:
Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; AND
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress,

Simply put, you don't need to fix that which isn't broken simply because you think your ideas are better than those that have worked for the past 230+ years.




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Message 720144 - Posted: 1 Mar 2008, 1:30:58 UTC - in response to Message 708626.  

What roles do you think his friends Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson will play? Maybe ol Al as Secretary of State? Just curious what others think.


Let's pretend, for the sake of argument, that we've actually elected anyone since the hit on JFK. If Obama wants a second term, he'll play the middle of the road. No, you won't see Sharpton or Jackson in the Cabinet or other high position. However, I wouldn't be surprised if Obama made Harold Ford of Tennessee his White House Chief of Staff.
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Message 720157 - Posted: 1 Mar 2008, 2:55:46 UTC - in response to Message 720067.  

Simply put, you don't need to fix that which isn't broken simply because you think your ideas are better than those that have worked for the past 230+ years.


Now it is merly a question of figuring out what is broken so that it can be fixed. Yes, there are things in the US that are not broken, and there are other things that are broken.


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Message 722145 - Posted: 5 Mar 2008, 1:59:59 UTC

We all lose if either Killary or Obomber become president. The really good candidates were weeded out early.
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Message 722291 - Posted: 5 Mar 2008, 12:57:13 UTC - in response to Message 708626.  
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What roles do you think his friends Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson will play? Maybe ol Al as Secretary of State? Just curious what others think.

Obama is smart enough to realize that Al and Jesse are just extortion artists. The big question is how long will it be before Harry Belafonte calls Obama a "house slave".

RE: The war(s). Hard to say. Obama, like any CINC, will go by his advisors. Somalia is a likely next "payback" target.
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Message 723240 - Posted: 8 Mar 2008, 1:52:37 UTC
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Dems and Republicans really ain't that much different. But, I'll vote for Barak if he gets the nod. At least he has an upbeat air about him. I'm sick of all the chicken little the sky is falling sh@#.

There isn't much left of America to protect. I laugh when I hear presidents and congressfolk talking about the terrorists are going to get us. Presidents and Congress have done more to destroy the USA than terrorists could ever dream of doing. Terrorists did not have any hand in the current economic meltdown. Our great banks & free markets did that all by themselves.
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Message 727241 - Posted: 17 Mar 2008, 3:36:50 UTC

This should tell you what will happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk3LXvVlsI4
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Message 742521 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 23:18:26 UTC

Affirmative Action with a vengence?


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Message 742526 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 23:29:48 UTC - in response to Message 727241.  

This should tell you what will happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk3LXvVlsI4

Thanks for that link, what was it you disagreed with?
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Message 742531 - Posted: 21 Apr 2008, 23:56:43 UTC

I wonder what would happen if a real left-wing person would become president... Would he or she literally survive the first few months of service?
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