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Message 708334 - Posted: 5 Feb 2008, 3:00:30 UTC

This isn't really anything new, but if your interested you can find the article here
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Message 708338 - Posted: 5 Feb 2008, 3:27:22 UTC - in response to Message 708334.


Thanks You for the Post . . . and this is of 'obvious' interest to me . . . see quote

This isn't really anything new, but if your interested you can find the article here



Much as the shape of a musical instrument determines its sound, the shape of these dimensions determines the properties and behavior of our four-dimensional universe, says Gary Shiu, lead author of a paper appearing in the Jan. 25 issue of Physical Review Letters.

"The shape of the dimensions is crucial because, in string theory, the way the string vibrates determines the pattern of particle masses and the forces that we feel," says the UW-Madison physics professor

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Message 708377 - Posted: 5 Feb 2008, 5:52:36 UTC
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so what defines an atom, as we know all matter is made from atoms, so what makes a wood atom different from a stone atom or a flesh atom, please dont tell me its elgar :), and we say string theory, but there are no facts to support strings as a theory, other than some mathematical mumbo jumbo, that some physics/mathematicians use as a tool to describe some aspects of the very small.

it could just as well be a point, following a figure eight infinitly fast, so that it represents a string, like a string.

but we know these are just tools, used by scientists to try to describe what they imagine, no one hase ever seen a string, and we allso know that in a few decades we will probably have another theory, just as wild, and just as usless as a view of reality.

basicaly if the math works, then calculate, we dont need to be religious about it, and use faith or belife, the results themselves will advance us to the next lvl of understanding.

and if you think strings can be proven look here, they cant yet.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/01/070124175443.htm

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Message 708385 - Posted: 5 Feb 2008, 6:23:53 UTC

i allso noticed this article when i read the one you posted guys,

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/03/040304073931.htm

I dont even try to say i understand they math behind what these guys are talkin about, but, it would seem to me that if a string entered an event horizon, and was streched so long as to be striped from the atom it was part of and make a completly new kind of matter, witch by the way i think black holes are made from, then it couldent have any memory of the matter it was originaly from, therfore, no way to read back to what it was before it became part of the black hole.

maybe i misunderstand what they are saying, but it seems imposible to look at strings in a black hole and say, what ones were stars and what ones were planetary or dust like matter, as im sure some roving black holes swallow planet like objects, but may have started as suns, no way could you separate out the difrent strings, they would all just be strings, streached out to resemble each other, if you turn meat, wood and peat, into carbon and grind it up, how can you then separate the atoms of carbon and say what source it came from, i think it would be imposible, and the same for strings in a black hole, atoms do not have memory.nor do strings in my oppinion.

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Message 708387 - Posted: 5 Feb 2008, 6:32:15 UTC

and just a thought on these extra dimentions the physicists keep going on about, i have yet to see or read anything that convinces me any of these new dimentions exists, i would think about seeing any of these results as mearly energy moving in the existing dimentions, but in an unusual way, in fact if we simplified the dimentions and seen it that way, maybe we could get more progress in understanding reality, i know reality isnt simple, but makeing it ever more complicated to overcome our lack of understanding, seems counter productive, even if it dose make it easyer to get grants for new amaizing ideas.

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Message 710646 - Posted: 10 Feb 2008, 5:39:56 UTC - in response to Message 708387.

and just a thought on these extra dimentions the physicists keep going on about, i have yet to see or read anything that convinces me any of these new dimentions exists, i would think about seeing any of these results as mearly energy moving in the existing dimentions, but in an unusual way, in fact if we simplified the dimentions and seen it that way, maybe we could get more progress in understanding reality, i know reality isnt simple, but makeing it ever more complicated to overcome our lack of understanding, seems counter productive, even if it dose make it easyer to get grants for new amaizing ideas.

tersse, the reason scientists favor extra dimensions is because they allow us to explain things that we can't explain other wise, especially when it is applied in M-theory. Although it is true that the only evidence of extra dimensions is purely mathematical they do make since when one works out the math.
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