Eric's Out of Adjectives Post #12: Credit pandemonium

I don't mind real efforts at cross-project parity at all.

Read the above sentence again before moving forward.

What David Anderson stated, that he was going to ask stat sites to "scale down" (aka "manipulate") the stats of projects that HE deemed as "too much", is NOT a justifiable "means" to the "end" of having project parity.

In any case, manipulation of the data at the stat site level, in my opinion, is an incorrect approach.

....then I think you're "very strange indeed"... ;-)

I've only been reading what's been proposed in this thread, and to me David A's proposal was that each project should grant the same amount of credit per hour/week etc for work done.
"A couple weeks ago, David posted a message to the boinc_projects mailing list requesting that projects normalize the amount of credit they grant to SETI@home." I didn't see any mention of sats sites being asked to change the figures they receive.

In any case, manipulation of the data at the stat site level, in my opinion, is an incorrect approach.

I agree, it should be done by the project.

Eric Korpela is God!!
I mean this with the highest respect.
Keep up the good work SETI!
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The Search for Extra Terrestrial KItties!!

Eric Korpela is God!!

A lot of people make that mistake. I think it's the beard and the near omniscience that confuses people.

;)

Thanks, Eric, for the explanation, and Brian, and you all for further thoughts.
It is interesting, how far people transit their feelings about belongings into the Boinc-Sphere. I wasn't aware of that.

I honestly dislike the thinking about switching projects to just get higher "credits" back for good..
In my opinion/from my point of view the Boinc-Sys offers an astonishing variety of projects which are all equal to me ("worth"), where every participant of course got her/his favours in science and wants to parcipitate into these sciences especially the most. Thats how I think about the system works (or should work? I think it does.).

I understand, that a lot of people complain about getting in proj A more credits granted then in proj B. But what do these people are really pulling of Boinc for themselves? Just (virtual) credits? I don't want to believe that :|, but yes. There are for sure some out there, and I don't know what it is about, but they seem to feel better about themselves when they push themselves up in a "market", that doesn't give them back more than a number. I call them brokers ;). But these people are not of an interest in science projects! And even if they exist, they are 1. not necessary and 2. not really changing sth in here (imho).

Participating here is just to help a science project I believe in (or I hope in its success), where I see the most worth in, than in some numbers? Even if I would get 10% of the credits other projects give, wouldn't I still keep my shoulders close to the project I'm really behind?
I tried the Einstein project once, because there was a hype in our country about Einstein.., but I must realize that I was faked by media, and came back to the project I liked most.

I totally understand, how hard and full of compromises it is for you to run y/our project besides the others and how hard and unlightful it is to deal with these (for sure - totally economic) matters, especially as you are, like I think, scientists because you like the kind of science Seti deals with (and thats good!). You shouldn't be bothered by that economics stuff, while you can do so much better things with your time to push the project itself forwards.
Don't let you take down by that credit-crazyness. I believe that there is a huge majority of Seti's out there, who just love to let their machines work for Seti, because it is Seti and who believe in your work!

Sorry for my english,
and sorry for posting this here - feeling kind of a thief myself sneaking in your staff-posting-house around, huh.. I'm sneaking out right now.

bye klang

0.5 credits per 1000 flops

Here's a conclusion we came up to while discussing credits with other people: Cross-project parity is impossible. Stop trying.

OzzFan compared BOINC credits to video game points:

But I guess what I'm trying to say is that I look at credits like video game points: they're fun to collect but I wouldn't cry about them if they're gone, and I wouldn't try to turn them into a big deal that consumes so much of my time on a message board or any other aspect of my life.

?. sorry, I'm new...

karina, Uy

thank you!. I tried to be more informed...
I'm interested in participate in this project.

I'll be in touch.
karina, Uy