I have an proposal for a new Boinc! project that uses much of the tools of SETI@home, but is significantly different in scope and application as to justify a new Boinc! invocation.

What I need from SETI science are the signal processing (FFT), client tasking, workload distribution network, data gathering, and various other brilliant concepts.

Some of the tasks to perform are:
- assignment of signal sources
- time domain -> FFT -> freq/wavelength
- signal pattern matching
- detection of significant events
- prompt reporting of events
- upstream post-analysis

While I could develop all this from scratch, something of this scope is beyond my abilities to manage with my resources.

The benefits could be tangible!

1) Increased warning of significant event occurances.

2) Improved analysis of past events.

3) Increased correlation between event triggers and event occurances.

4) Potential prediction of future events based upon perceived patterns.

5) Increased understanding of underlying physics and processes.

The SETI@home community could help with their first-hand experience with distributing large systems, as well as the actual number-crunching behind the science.

Thanks for considering this.
regards,
Dar7yl

What events are you talking about here?

> What events are you talking about here?

Significant events on a local/global scale.

Seriously, I can't divulge the nature of the project until I complete some basic groundwork, part of which is testing the feasability of the process and the availibility of necessary tools.

The process (which can be applied to any discipline) is to connect a number of signal sources to monitoring clients, which perform simple signal analysis (read: FFT). These clients are connected to "concentrators" operating on the same or different machines and send it differential signals (delta-steady-state). The concentrators analyze the signals for anomalies, and report higher-up-the-food-chain to central event managers.

The difference between this and the classical "SETI-style" application is that SETI analyzes historical data in large "chunks", while this will monitor real-time data in smaller "crunchies".

The next question,
Is this the proper forum to continue this discussion, or is there a more appropriate group this could move to?

regards,
Daryl

> What events are you talking about here?
>
> <a> href="http://www.boinc.dk/index.php?page=user_statistics&project=sah&userid=91863">
>

Echelon@home

Computers sort through telephone conversations and radio traffic listening for 'stuff that sounds funnay'.

> > What events are you talking about here?
>
> Significant events on a local/global scale.
>
> Seriously, I can't divulge the nature of the project until I complete some
> basic groundwork

This isn't a proposal until you say what you're trying to accomplish.




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The game High/Low is played by tossing two nuclear warheads into the air. The one whose bomb explodes higher wins. This game is usually played by people of low intelligence, hence the name High/Low.

> This isn't a proposal until you say what you're trying to accomplish.

Patience, my good frodo. All will be revealed in time. The puzzle must assemble itself.

In the meantime, you might want to amuse yourself with the problem of hooking up an arbitrary signal source through an FFT and then through a pipe to a signal analyzer.
Some possible signal sources to consider:
- software generated sine wave generator
- software generated anything wave generator
- random number generator
- computer clock
- stored music file (ie, *.wav)

The question is, is this configuration possible (and even feasable?) on the existing Boinc! architecture? How easily does this fit into the philosophies of the SETI@home community?

regards,
Daryl

> Computers sort through telephone conversations and radio traffic listening for 'stuff that sounds funnay'.

Wow, It didn't take long for someone to come up with yet another application.

regards,
Daryl

>
> Patience, my good frodo.

I'm not patient, yours, good, or frodo. I'll accept the comma and period though.

>
> In the meantime, you might want to amuse yourself with the problem of hooking
> up an arbitrary signal source through an FFT and then through a pipe to a
> signal analyzer.
> Some possible signal sources to consider:
> - software generated sine wave generator
> - software generated anything wave generator
> - random number generator
> - computer clock
> - stored music file (ie, *.wav)

I suggest tin foil. I've always had good luck with tin foil.

>
> The question is, is this configuration possible (and even feasable?) on the
> existing Boinc! architecture? How easily does this fit into the philosophies
> of the SETI@home community?
>

The philosophy of the SETI@home community is "let's build the world's largest distributed supercomputer and see if E.T. exists, and if so, ask where he hid Elvis." I'm not sure E.T. cares much about sine wave generators, but Elvis may be interested in your stored music files.




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The game High/Low is played by tossing two nuclear warheads into the air. The one whose bomb explodes higher wins. This game is usually played by people of low intelligence, hence the name High/Low.

> > Patience, my good frodo.
>
> I'm not patient, yours, good, or frodo. I'll accept the comma and period
> though.

full and exclusive use granted for those particular punctuation marks.

> I suggest tin foil. I've always had good luck with tin foil.

Wrong problem domain. I'm trying to detect signals, not insulate from them.

> The philosophy of the SETI@home community is "let's build the world's largest
> distributed supercomputer and see if E.T. exists, and if so, ask where he hid
> Elvis." I'm not sure E.T. cares much about sine wave generators, but Elvis
> may be interested in your stored music files.

E.T. is not willing to divulge where Elvis is hiding:) I'm sure Elvis had a much better collection than mine.

The sine wave generators and and stored .wav files are akin to the test signals injected into the Arecibo receiver to verify the validity of the data and processes.
Historic data can be converted to sound equivalent and stored in .wav files, although it's not that efficient compared to other methods.

aside: What does a SETI@home signal sound like, if converted to audio range?

regards,
Daryl.

> > > Patience, my good frodo.
> >
> > I'm not patient, yours, good, or frodo. I'll accept the comma and
> period though.
>
> full and exclusive use granted for those particular punctuation marks.
>
Hey, does this mean I owe royalties for every use of those two punctuations marks now?
If so, I now claim exlusive rights to question marks, exclamation points and that little squiggly line called a tilde.
Oh, and parentheses, I want money from those, too (I'm greedy).

> The philosophy of the SETI@home community is "let's build the world's
> largest distributed supercomputer and see if E.T. exists, and if so, ask where he
> hid Elvis."

ET doesn't have Elvis, he's been hiding behind my couch the whole time. :)
Beer, naked women & wanton destruction? I'm in.

>
> >
> > Patience, my good frodo.
>
> I'm not patient, yours, good, or frodo. I'll accept the comma and period
> though.
>
> >
> > In the meantime, you might want to amuse yourself with the problem of
> hooking
> > up an arbitrary signal source through an FFT and then through a pipe to
> a
> > signal analyzer.
> > Some possible signal sources to consider:
> > - software generated sine wave generator
> > - software generated anything wave generator
> > - random number generator
> > - computer clock
> > - stored music file (ie, *.wav)
>
> I suggest tin foil. I've always had good luck with tin foil.
>
> >
> > The question is, is this configuration possible (and even feasable?) on
> the
> > existing Boinc! architecture? How easily does this fit into the
> philosophies
> > of the SETI@home community?
> >
>
> The philosophy of the SETI@home community is "let's build the world's largest
> distributed supercomputer and see if E.T. exists, and if so, ask where he hid
> Elvis." I'm not sure E.T. cares much about sine wave generators, but Elvis
> may be interested in your stored music files.
>

>

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>

> The game High/Low is played by tossing two nuclear warheads into the air. The
> one whose bomb explodes higher wins. This game is usually played by people of
> low intelligence, hence the name High/Low.
>

SOunds like tin foil is needed in this thread, BADLY......
My name is Pascal and this message has my approval...

It is 10 oclock, do you know what your WUWUs are doing tonight...

Pascal said something like:
> SOunds like tin foil is needed in this thread, BADLY......
> My name is Pascal and this message has my approval...
>
> It is 10 oclock, do you know what your WUWUs are doing tonight...

Please don't waste my bandwidth with useless reposts and senseless drivel.

If you want to participate, you can join in the discussion and propose useful solutions to the problem.

If you want to bitch, we can continue this discussion in another forum.

regards,
Daryl.

For those of you still with me,

A while ago, Heffed asked:
> What events are you talking about here?

A little sample of the signal appears beside my posts, instead of my mug.

The signal source isn't mine, and I would like to get official access before I proceed further.

regards,
Daryl.

Daryl,

You're asking for help, you won't reveal the details, but it all sounds very mysterious.

... and you're asking participants, not the actual project.

The bad news for you: BOINC isn't funded to do this kind of research, it's funded to build the underlying BOINC platform.

The good news: BOINC is open-source, and so is the SETI client. If you want to start your own project, download the software, put it on your servers, get some bandwidth, and write a client (based on the SETI client if you wish).

... but I think the tinfoil is a very good idea -- and I'd put the servers inside a pyramid for good measure.

> Please don't waste my bandwidth with useless reposts and senseless drivel.
>
> If you want to participate, you can join in the discussion and propose useful
> solutions to the problem.
>
> If you want to bitch, we can continue this discussion in another forum.
>
> regards,
> Daryl.
>
>

> You're asking for help, you won't reveal the details, but it all sounds very
> mysterious.

Like I said before, I am in the preliminary stage of setting this up. Before I can go off wildly making claims, I have to make a project proposal. In order to make the proposal, I have to do some homework. Part of the task is analyzing BOINC to see if that architecture fits our application.

> ... and you're asking participants, not the actual project.

Well, excuuussssse meee! Here I thought that these message boards were for everyone. Will everyone who is not the actual project please take a step backward?!

> The bad news for you: BOINC isn't funded to do this kind of research, it's
> funded to build the underlying BOINC platform.

Silly me, I thought that BOINC was funded to produce a distributed platform that could perform a variety of interesting science. Aren't the people volunteers?

> The good news: BOINC is open-source, and so is the SETI client. If you want
> to start your own project, download the software, put it on your servers, get
> some bandwidth, and write a client (based on the SETI client if you wish).

That's the sort of information I wanted. Now, where is the handbook that describes the process of setting up a BOINC project?

> ... but I think the tinfoil is a very good idea -- and I'd put the servers
> inside a pyramid for good measure.

But if you put the servers inside tinfoil-covered pyramids, how can they call the mothership?

regards,
Daryl.

> > ... and you're asking participants, not the actual project.
>
> Well, excuuussssse meee! Here I thought that these message boards were for
> everyone. Will everyone who is not the actual project please take a step
> backward?!

So, instead of telling you that you were in the wrong place, I should have simply let you continue to ask?

The forums are for everyone, but answers depend a whole lot on who you're asking. You aren't asking BOINC, this forum is operated by the SETI project, running on top of BOINC.

You can find BOINC at http://boinc.berkeley.edu. You can also click on the BOINC logo on the home page.

I found all of this and more by just poking around and reading. Just don't wrap the tinfoil around your sunglasses and you'll be fine.

> The forums are for everyone, but answers depend a whole lot on who you're
> asking. You aren't asking BOINC, this forum is operated by the SETI project,
> running on top of BOINC.
>
> You can find BOINC at http://boinc.berkeley.edu. You can also click on the
> BOINC logo on the home page.

BOINC was created by the S@H team. So I guess you could say that S@H is BOINC.

> So, instead of telling you that you were in the wrong place, I should have
> simply let you continue to ask?

So, when you obliquely informed me I was in the wrong place, why didn't you redirect me to the correct place?

> The forums are for everyone, but answers depend a whole lot on who you're
> asking. You aren't asking BOINC, this forum is operated by the SETI project,
> running on top of BOINC.

My mistook. I guess I couldn't distinguish BOINC from SETI.

> You can find BOINC at http://boinc.berkeley.edu. You can also click on the
> BOINC logo on the home page.

Thank you.

> BOINC was created by the S@H team. So I guess you could say that S@H
> is BOINC.

You can remove the BOINC from the SETI, but you can't remove the SETI from the BOINC!

regards,
Daryl.

> > So, instead of telling you that you were in the wrong place, I should
> have
> > simply let you continue to ask?
>
> So, when you obliquely informed me I was in the wrong place, why didn't you
> redirect me to the correct place?

Actually, I thought the "Powered by BOINC" logo on the home page was enough.

> BOINC was created by the S@H team. So I guess you could say that S@H is
> BOINC.

There is an overlap between the BOINC staff and the SETI staff, but there are big differences in funding.

For example, the NSF grant for BOINC cannot be spent on SETI.

Other grants pay for SETI.