http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/donation_history.php

Inquiring minds would like to know...the autumn doldrums or what?

Seti needs your money...what other projects are taking peoples money away?

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My_real_life@home is sucking the money right out of my wallet.

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Well when it comes to money I don't have a lot...

And I just paid paid for air flight tickets to travel from Brisbane to Hong Kong and then Hong Kong to Hangzhou (and back) for Feb 2008. My girlfriend and I are going to visit for family back in China.

And I have to pay for the visa still (although that is fairly cheap) and save up for the shopping and sightseeing when we go away...

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I don't know if anyone in charge has thought about this but...

There really aren't many people on these forums that are happy with the way things are at this point in time.

Something that should be considered is that quite a few of the people who post on the forums have donated quite a bit of money to the project.

What makes the people in charge think that the sometimes dismissive attitude we ( as a whole ) are shown as far as whether we participate or not ( remember the phrase " We don't need you cuz there are millions more just like you " ) would make any of us more willing, or willing at all for that matter, to donate to this project? Especially when you consider that there are dozens of other projects that need donations just as badly.

I, for one, have never donated to this project simply because of the dismissive attitude toward my participation.

If they think they don't need me...then they don't need my money either.

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Yes that rings a bell. Especially that attitude of late.

Yes, the GREEN STARS are most prevalent in the Cafe...just look on the Cafe's authors list...more so than the other boards.

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I don't know if anyone in charge has thought about this but...

There really aren't many people on these forums that are happy with the way things are at this point in time.

Something that should be considered is that quite a few of the people who post on the forums have donated quite a bit of money to the project.

What makes the people in charge think that the sometimes dismissive attitude we ( as a whole ) are shown as far as whether we participate or not ( remember the phrase " We don't need you cuz there are millions more just like you " ) would make any of us more willing, or willing at all for that matter, to donate to this project? Especially when you consider that there are dozens of other projects that need donations just as badly.

I, for one, have never donated to this project simply because of the dismissive attitude toward my participation.

If they think they don't need me...then they don't need my money either.

The truth is out there!

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I want to see Seti@Home stay successful, but I noticed that the current state of affairs regarding donations has been dismal, especially of late, and that something needs to be done about it. What ever is being done currently to get people to donate would appear to not be working if the latest stats are any indication. A good point was made that a large group of people who have donated are more likely to be actively involved on the boards, particularly the Cafe. It would be interesting to know what percentage of the 0.31% of crunchers which have donated are actively involved in the fora.

It would behove those in positions of responsibility regarding the promotion of donations to come up with some better ideas before all the funds dry up. I'm sure they'd appreciate constructive suggestions.

Whipping the same horse all the time is bringing diminishing returns, and someone has to figure out how to reach the other crunchers which never, if ever, post to, or read these boards. You can only pass the plate around so many times to the same people...

Neither blaming the posters or the mods is going to solve anything. Perhaps a new donations committee with completely fresh faces is needed, and they can take it from there.

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I remember way back when the green star idea was first presented in Number Crunching. There was concern that people with the stars would somehow use that against people without the stars. I remember Matt Davis arguing quite extensively against that saying it would never happen. From that point on it was considered trollish to bring up green stars against anyone in any argument. It still is.

Then can you kindly explain why at least one of the mods has repeatedly thrown the matter of donations into crunchers faces as if their worth to the project is measured by the depths of their open pocketbooks. As far as I'm concerned the Green Stars can be done away with...it makes no difference to me.

This issue about Green Stars is a red herring...and solves nothing.

We need leadership...not accusations.

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When this donation system was first being talked about I was against the green stars. I was the one arguing with Matt Davis about it. And let's not forget my 'dollar star' taken away by another Matt. There was a nice ethical blunder.

Yes, the GREEN STARS are most prevalent in the Cafe...just look on the Cafe's authors list...more so than the other boards.

This issue about Green Stars is a red herring...and solves nothing.

I addressed it because you brought it up.

I was replying to Knightmare and only stated an extrapolation of one of his observations.

Something that should be considered is that quite a few of the people who post on the forums have donated quite a bit of money to the project.

...and how does one expect to tell which have donated if not for their Green Stars?

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I am proud to try to lead by example by having a green star shining next to my name. I have encouraged others to contribute to the project. And I would still ask anybody who can afford it to help out.

But I have also stated in past posts that if anybody either can not, or does not wish to, contribute money directly to the project, their contribution of computer resources is still much appreciated.

The green star to me simply signifies that the user believes strongly enough in the project to not only contribute their computer resoures, but to contribute some money to keep the project going as well.

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Thank you.

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.....their contribution of computer resources is still much appreciated.

Well I should hope so.

The green star to me simply signifies that the user believes strongly enough in the project.....

Let me get this straight... if someone chooses to provide years of computer time (and who knows how much in electricity and computer parts) to this project it doesn't show that they strongly believe in the project enough???

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.....their contribution of computer resources is still much appreciated.

Well I should hope so.

The green star to me simply signifies that the user believes strongly enough in the project.....

Let me get this straight... if someone chooses to provide years of computer time (and who knows how much in electricity and computer parts) to this project it doesn't show that they strongly believe in the project enough???

No, not at all. Your sign on date and your credits testify to your belief in the project. I simply was referring to what the green star signifies to me. I made it clear that as far as I was concerned, contributing one's computer resources is much appreciated and it is fine if that is what one can afford or wishes to do. Those with a green star simply are going a step further.

Please do not put words into my mouth. I think my post was very clear in expressing my opinion that I never put down anybody who has not, for any reason, donated cash to the project in addition to their computer time.

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Please do not put words into my mouth. I think my post was very clear in expressing my opinion that I never put down anybody who has not, for any reason, donated cash to the project in addition to their computer time.

Okay, just checkin', to make sure.

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I am in no way representing Berkeley administration or SETI by my
following comments. These are my personal opinions only.

I remember that phrase. It was in reference to the people that
continually disrupt the boards. Basically telling them, If they hate
it so bad here and feel the need to continually cause problems, Please
take your business somewhere else. That doesn't sound so unreasonable
to me.

I mean, what were you expecting? If you donate we'll let you trash the
boards, harass our moderators and flame anyone you don't like at
abandon..

I, for one, have never donated to this project simply because
of the dismissive attitude toward my participation.

Someone wouldn't let you post on the boards within the rules?
You had problems getting SETI to work with BOINC and it was never resolved?

Really, what part of participation were you denied? There are only six
types of participation I can think of.

Sorry if I missed something..
1. Crunch SETI on your computers.
2. Post (Within the rules) on the boards.
3. Donate either hardware or money.
4. Volunteer as a BETA tester.
5. Volunteer as a developer.
6. Volunteer as a moderator.

If you really cared about the project, you would have made a donation.
Unless you just couldn't afford it. Some people can't.

Some people feel that the electricity they use crunching SETI is a
donation. Well, I have to agree with them. It won't help keep the
project alive when SETI can't pay the bills, but it's definitely a
donation and I'm sure it's appreciated.

I think what your really saying here, is that you made an extreme
ultimatum to administration about removing someone you simply didn't
like. And your request was denied. That's not a normal part of
participation.

Ah yes. The " spoiled child accusation ".

Hate to break it to you, but what did or didn't happen on the Mod Distro has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not I have donated to this project.

Ya really want to know what has kept me from donating??

Here ya go.

1) I really don't have much money.
2) The dismissive attitude. It has been repeated numerous times, but more recently by people who " think " others are disruptive. Not by the admins. Funny how that works isn't it?
3) There is absolutely ( to the best of my knowledge ) no work at all being done to create analysis software. You may feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but I really don't think I am.

I find it odd that the same people who are begging for donations are the ones who are doing their best to chase everyone " disruptive " away.

* Let me just add that nothing was taken away from me. Nothing was denied me. I will not cry over spilled milk. That's not my style. I do what I do for reasons of my own. Now that you know them, perhaps you should refrain from running to someone's defense when the things you are speaking of had absolutely nothing at all to do with you. Nor do they have anything to do with why I won't donate to this project. *

Wanna ban me now?? Go ahead and call a vote on it. I am sure I know of at least two votes you can get pretty easily.

* slight edit due to me having fat fingers *

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Please do not put words into my mouth. I think my post was very clear in expressing my opinion that I never put down anybody who has not, for any reason, donated cash to the project in addition to their computer time.

Okay, just checkin', to make sure.

Fair enough. No worries.

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