SETI on XBox360? Petition Microsoft!

Message boards : Number crunching : SETI on XBox360? Petition Microsoft!

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Free Send message Joined: 24 Oct 99 Posts: 456 Credit: 1,867,483 RAC: 0	Message 670824 - Posted: 1 Nov 2007, 22:42:36 UTC
	We need to petition Microsoft to develop a SETI client "screensaver" for the XB360. The reason why I would want to see it developed by Microsoft: - So it will run on a standard XB360. I have no interest in running Linux on my XB360. - So that it could be distributed easily over Live. - The "screensaver" aspect is necessary in order to get the masses to download it over Live. The XB360 doesn't really have a decent screensaver, anyway. - It is a win:win situation. Microsoft could use the hype that they are part of "distributed computing" just like Sony did with the PS3.
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archae86 Send message Joined: 31 Aug 99 Posts: 871 Credit: 1,565,978 RAC: 64	Message 670831 - Posted: 1 Nov 2007, 22:53:49 UTC - in response to Message 670824.
	We need to petition Microsoft to develop a SETI client "screensaver" for the XB360. I'd be really surprised if they signed up for this. Their reliability problems with the box are bad enough to have cost them a real black eye and a lot of money. If they have any people thinking about reliability at all, then making a bunch of boxes run hotter for longer would look like a detriment to their problem. ____________
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VBobier Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 40787 Credit: 32,079,047 RAC: 19,500	Message 670890 - Posted: 2 Nov 2007, 0:42:29 UTC - in response to Message 670831. Last modified: 2 Nov 2007, 0:43:06 UTC
	We need to petition Microsoft to develop a SETI client "screensaver" for the XB360. I'd be really surprised if they signed up for this. Their reliability problems with the box are bad enough to have cost them a real black eye and a lot of money. If they have any people thinking about reliability at all, then making a bunch of boxes run hotter for longer would look like a detriment to their problem. @ Free: Not a chance for this to happen, If Seti were to run on the Xbox 360, The Xbox 360 would do a RED Ring of Death(Think XP BSOD!) as the Box is not designed for continuous operations, Which the PS3 can do as Sony designed the Box to do in addition to games, So I'd say Forget It, As It ain't going to happen. ____________ BSG Anthem My Facebook page
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Chirag Patel Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 13 Sep 05 Posts: 48 Credit: 5,016,427 RAC: 7,325	Message 670947 - Posted: 2 Nov 2007, 2:07:13 UTC
	True. My Xbox 360 hung after playing 16 hours of Oblivion straight. But if they find the perfect cutoff FLOPS (not using the processors to 100%), it is probably going to work. And very well. Better than my damned 1.6 GHz Pentium M at least. And optimisation for it would be easy. Everyone with an Xbox 360 has exactly the same hardware to run SETI@Home. ____________
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AlphaLaser Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 22 Aug 06 Posts: 262 Credit: 45,707 RAC: 0	Message 671174 - Posted: 2 Nov 2007, 14:55:32 UTC
	Wasn't there a die shrink of the 360 CPU to 65 nm supposed to happen around this time? That should help the heat issues at least for new units. ____________
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Daniel Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 May 07 Posts: 562 Credit: 408,416 RAC: 0	Message 671236 - Posted: 2 Nov 2007, 20:35:19 UTC
	The CPU already has shrunk on the newest versions. The GPU is the next thing to shrink. ____________ Daniel
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Dotsch Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 834,640 RAC: 47	Message 695869 - Posted: 30 Dec 2007, 12:53:10 UTC Last modified: 30 Dec 2007, 12:53:47 UTC
	The XBOX360 was hacked and it is posible to let Linux running on it : http://www.free60.org. As reading the hardware specs, I think it is posible to let the existing Linux PPC BOINC client and Linux SETI application running on the XBOX. Am I right, that the Linux PPC/Power binaries should work at the Xbox with Linux ? Is anyone interested to try it out ? But, I am not shure, if the hardware problems of the XBOX makes it imposible to let CPU intensive tasks running on it. ____________
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VBobier Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 40787 Credit: 32,079,047 RAC: 19,500	Message 695909 - Posted: 30 Dec 2007, 15:58:33 UTC
	As I said earlier, The 360 overheats really easy, So forget It, It isn't going to happen, They've said It's just a game machine and have no intention of doing any developments like Seti or Boinc on It. So somebody close this thread, please. It's useless. ____________ BSG Anthem My Facebook page
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Dotsch Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 834,640 RAC: 47	Message 695919 - Posted: 30 Dec 2007, 16:41:48 UTC - in response to Message 695909. Last modified: 30 Dec 2007, 16:42:49 UTC
	As I said earlier, The 360 overheats really easy, So forget It, It isn't going to happen, They've said It's just a game machine and have no intention of doing any developments like Seti or Boinc on It. Is there a statement from Microsoft about the overheating ? So somebody close this thread, please. It's useless. No. I did not agree. As Chirag Patel has posted, the XBOX did not overheat with reduced CPU util. So I see no reason to close this thread. So it seems, that BOINC could work with CPU throtteling... ____________
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VBobier Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 40787 Credit: 32,079,047 RAC: 19,500	Message 695935 - Posted: 30 Dec 2007, 17:42:54 UTC - in response to Message 695919.
	As I said earlier, The 360 overheats really easy, So forget It, It isn't going to happen, They've said It's just a game machine and have no intention of doing any developments like Seti or Boinc on It. Is there a statement from Microsoft about the overheating ? So somebody close this thread, please. It's useless. No. I did not agree. As Chirag Patel has posted, the XBOX did not overheat with reduced CPU util. So I see no reason to close this thread. So it seems, that BOINC could work with CPU throttling... Ever heard of RRoD? To those that don't know what that means, It means the Red Ring of Death and It usually means Your 360 is DEAD and If the software is unauthorized, Your warranty is automatically voided. In any case MS did say they'd look into porting F@H, But others have pointed out that MSes archrival could then do a comparison, Like which one crashes and which one doesn't, I don't think MS wants to give Sony a PR leg up. http://www.digg.com/microsoft/Rosetta_Home_Distributed_Folding_Coming_to_Xbox_360 http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/13/folding-home-on-xbox-360-under-consideration/ March 30, 2007 What of other games consoles such as Xbox 360? Anderson says he's talked to Microsoft. "But that conversation didn't go anywhere," he says. Computer-game console contributes to science The above sentence is in the above link near the bottom of the page, So I think It's a dead subject as It was before March 30th when this was asked and so far Google can't find anything better, MS clearly isn't interested. ____________ BSG Anthem My Facebook page
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Dotsch Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 2422 Credit: 834,640 RAC: 47	Message 695942 - Posted: 30 Dec 2007, 17:57:29 UTC
	Thank you for the links. As it is posible to let Linux running on the XBOX, we did not need Microsoft ;-) I think, it would still interesting to try it. The CPU throtteling features could prevent the overheating and the CPU specs looks interesting (3 core PowerPC CPU). ____________
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VBobier Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 40787 Credit: 32,079,047 RAC: 19,500	Message 695958 - Posted: 30 Dec 2007, 18:38:46 UTC - in response to Message 695942. Last modified: 30 Dec 2007, 19:16:35 UTC
	Thank you for the links. As it is possible to let Linux running on the XBOX, we did not need Microsoft ;-) I think, it would still interesting to try it. The CPU throttling features could prevent the overheating and the CPU specs looks interesting (3 core PowerPC CPU). On a hacked Xbox360 and Only on a hacked Xbox360, Which as soon as You update to the latest firmware would kill that hack and therefore no more linux and there's the possibility that any new firmware would see the hack and shut down the Xbox360 until It's returned to stock physically. MS sells games and makes money that way, They don't make money on an app that wouldn't even have 10% of sold 360's running It, Just more problems with overheating, So go ahead If You want, MS won't allow It on the Xbox360 anymore than they did with the original Xbox. And so far Linux is not authorized at all. By Joris Evers Staff Writer, CNET News.com Published: March 5, 2007, 3:32 PM PST Microsoft has quietly released a fix for a security vulnerability that could let Xbox 360 owners run their own applications or operating systems on the console. as reported by Cnet, So unless You know of another way In, It's pretty clear that to MS, Linux is a Dirty word that they don't like. So I say again this thread needs to be locked as It isn't possible to get MS to change their mind. ____________ BSG Anthem My Facebook page
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Francois Piednoel Send message Joined: 14 Jun 00 Posts: 898 Credit: 5,969,320 RAC: 0	Message 696074 - Posted: 30 Dec 2007, 23:30:34 UTC Last modified: 30 Dec 2007, 23:31:34 UTC
	I have enough games for my 360, no need of SETI or folding@home. It does make sense only on console without good games ... and 360 running full time will probably generate a lot of Red ring of death. who?
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Jason A. Countryman Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 29 Aug 03 Posts: 121 Credit: 5,995,834 RAC: 1,378	Message 702080 - Posted: 20 Jan 2008, 21:27:33 UTC - in response to Message 696074.
	sorry if im beating a dead horse here but so far no one has tried seti on a 360? I have one and it hasne been used in close to a year so if theres a way to do it using the linux live cd's that are out there and someone knows how, i would try it out ____________
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VBobier Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 40787 Credit: 32,079,047 RAC: 19,500	Message 702165 - Posted: 21 Jan 2008, 0:44:12 UTC - in response to Message 702080.
	sorry if I'm beating a dead horse here but so far no one has tried seti on a 360? I have one and it hasn't been used in close to a year so if theres a way to do it using the linux live cd's that are out there and someone knows how, i would try it out MS has closed the door, So let It die please. ____________ BSG Anthem My Facebook page
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