There's an 'Altruism' thread.

We ought to have an Egoism thread.

There's great things in music, philosophy, art, ethics, and everything in between that should be extolled in contradiction to the Altruism thread.

Sometimes people that feel like I/we do that there is superb sublime beauty in the world feel a little bit 'left out'

The predominant 'ideal' of the day is an ethical system of altruism, not rational egoism.

Have you ever just set down quietly and listened to phenomenoly perfect music and wondered why why it was possible to hear such a creation in the first place?

Have you ever just thought one time when you were younger and perfectly unadulterated by cynicism that you were just a little bit better.. and imagined how the romance of the ideal man or woman would exist here and now and not in some long past unsatisfactory Dickens book that those were open possibilities for you?

I'm going to insist that all of those precious things you hold into your deepest bits of your soul mean something precious . I want to showhow love starts..love for art logic, even trees dipping in the wind. All ideas of amore'start with philosophy that develops from something so rational and proper...and such a thing called 'reason'. It's not hard to understand. It's especially not surprising for the brightest among us to see how that the things we demand and insist upon in these heroes of ours don't come to us in some religious bit of vaccuum.

The ideal that all of you probably love is demanded by what is required for that blessed soul to form into something noble.

Men and women throughout history have fought for egoism and individualism and strength. Some have surrenedered. Some have succeeded. Some just went quietly into the night and gave up.

There's an altruism thread. I'd like there to be an egoism thread as an alternative. In tribute to those people (especially the stonger women) it's owed.

Pessimism and hate for man should be countered by every measure by the rest of the rational.

Great praise for the efforts of all of us won't be stifled if enough praise is lauded upon it.

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;-) it all start, and it all depends on ourself. Neither of us can be WE. Each of us is I ..so let it be. The beauty shows best in the simpleness in each and one of us. Thats why we are who we are. I am me. And you are you. Please, continue to be You!

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Egoism is natural and is not necessary bad. You might help others to also feel good yourself for example. You might sell better quality for a lower price to gain more customers. You might want to protect your environment for a healthier living. You might want to pay your employees more money to make them work harder. You might want to help the poor to lower crime rates. There are many examples, nonetheless egoism paired with greed is fatal.

Egoism is natural and is not necessary bad. You might help others to also feel good yourself for example. You might sell better quality for a lower price to gain more customers. You might want to protect your environment for a healthier living. You might want to pay your employees more money to make them work harder. You might want to help the poor to lower crime rates. There are many examples, nonetheless egoism paired with greed is fatal.

Everything yo state i disagree with....

You are missing the beauty and all of what is most precious.

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Heh, I don't think so - you'd be surprised I guess we are probably not too different. But there is a side of "Altruism in your own egoistic self interest" in me.

Just wondering how you are coming to the conclusion that the predominant 'ideal' of the day is an ethical system of altruism, not rational egoism? Maybe on these boards, but not outside. Getting cruel out there and some altrusim couldn't harm.

And I also disagree that all good comes from rational egoism - what do we know of the intentions of people. Many good and bad things have been motivated by rational egoism as well as altruism. People have fought alone or together. But we should not forget that our evolutionary roots are small "family"-tribes.

Heh, I don't think so - you'd be surprised I guess we are probably not too different. But there is a side of "Altruism in your own egoistic self interest" in me.

We need to be on the same page in regard to our defintions. Altruism doesn't mean 'concern for our fellow man'. If that is what it meant then I would proudly call myself an altruist.

Altruism is a NEW word. Created by pholosophers to describe an ethical system where the motive for the actor should be primarily the concern of others' welfare above his own.

There are many types of egoism. I'll only advocate the rational variety. The variety I advocate holds that the primary moral benificiary of action is the actor himself ....and NO OTHER. Every other benefit is incidental.

Just wondering how you are coming to the conclusion that the predominant 'ideal' of the day is an ethical system of altruism, not rational egoism? Maybe on these boards, but not outside. Getting cruel out there and some altrusim couldn't harm.

I wish that altruism wasn't the predominant ethos of the day but it is. You're more optimistic than I am. But regardless, I don't give a damn. As an egoist I'll keep plugging away no matter what.

And I also disagree that all good comes from rational egoism - what do we know of the intentions of people. Many good and bad things have been motivated by rational egoism as well as altruism. People have fought alone or together. But we should not forget that our evolutionary roots are small "family"-tribes.

You disagree? On what basis do you disagree? Name one thing that RATIONAL Egoism has ever done that resulted in any sort of deserved moral blame. I can't wait for your answer. I already know it.

As for your comment about our evolutionary roots and 'family tribes'....rational egoism doesn't recognize Cave Men as part of its heritage.

I'll leave that to the communes.

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American television has a 'reality show' where the theme of it is a 'ghost town' (hollywood set in reality).

They have taken 50 children of various ages and put them in a 'wild west setting'.

The comparisons of altruism vs egoism are so blatantly obvious as those that come from their parents that I don't know what to say. Of course, it's a tv 'reality' show. But watch how one poor soul...the little black girl from Georgia was confronted by the 'smart ' girl of the group berating her for forming a profit making enterprise.

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One little man decided to 'break the monopoly'...while the others ostracized the girl that decided to become a capitalist and sell her 'pineapples on a stick'.

I think it's interesting how they so easily succumbed to ideas of ' you are making a PROFIT off of us'..........and you neeeeeeeeeed to STOP.

It lead to turning over of her tables (like Jesus...who knows...I'd suggest you judge but you have been taught not to judge)

Sad. She forgave him well and continued withe her Capitalist apple selling business. I know it appears silly. Altruism vs Egoism. Protect that little girl and her best or not.

And that poor soul...she forgave him after he destroyed her roadside stand. She's got more charity than I would have had.

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One little man decided to 'break the monopoly'...while the others ostracized the girl that decided to become a capitalist and sell her 'pineapples on a stick'.

I think it's interesting how they so easily succumbed to ideas of ' you are making a PROFIT off of us'..........and you neeeeeeeeeed to STOP.

It lead to turning over of her tables (like Jesus...who knows...I'd suggest you judge but you have been taught not to judge)

Sad. She forgave him well and continued withe her Capitalist apple selling business. I know it appears silly. Altruism vs Egoism. Protect that little girl and her best or not.

And that poor soul...she forgave him after he destroyed her roadside stand. She's got more charity than I would have had.

She put the apples on sticks and prepared them for 5 cents. (pence).
and they ostracized her for it... and what is worse. when that other child came to compete against her. The older girl of the group forbade it in the name of 'fairness'.......guess where they got their values from. Do you think I'm nuts now when I talk about values in real life? They told her she had NO RIGHT......TO OFFER apples on a stick prepared...that black girl.

And they ALSO TOLD the other child that he had NO RIGHT to interfere with a monopoly. all of them.....

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How many 'isms' can dance on the head of a pin? An Egoist can be altruistic because it makes them feel better than those who aren't. Altruists can be egotistical when they berate others for not giving. Forget all these different 'isms' and just live in the moment. Going with your gut is usually better than trying to justify your actions with a constructed philosophy.

The best way to approach any situation is to ask yourself how you would prefer to be treated and then treat others in that manner.

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Hopefully the cosmos is not trying to reverse the charges.
Moderation in all things.

How many 'isms' can dance on the head of a pin? An Egoist can be altruistic because it makes them feel better than those who aren't. Altruists can be egotistical when they berate others for not giving. Forget all these different 'isms' and just live in the moment. Going with your gut is usually better than trying to justify your actions with a constructed philosophy.

The best way to approach any situation is to ask yourself how you would prefer to be treated and then treat others in that manner.

Yes, Jon. You're right. The philosophy you just outlined in your criticisms of ours is called PragmatISM.

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Vince Papalli-----egoist extraordinaire

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Based on the football 'true story ' movie he's a talented moral figure.

Contrast how he....as a part time bar tender with a woman that abandoned him made good for the 'common man' (don't get ur panties twisted here.....yet)

One friend of his at the bar hung out with 'Unions' and went on strike.

The hero of this true story went out and answered the call of the Philadelphia Eagles .......all for the 'common man'.

Or so the movie would suggest. Friends of his that told him he shouldn't even beg to try just ooooze altruism. He owes it to the others after all and is 'wasting his time'.

His woman left him.....

And when he found a new woman that loved him for his virtues he was scorned again...."you know she only loves you because you're going to try to make the team"...........

Lesson in egoism..... and morality. Don't be moral. Don't have values.

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Don't be moral. Don't have values.

And don't expect to get into heaven... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Egoism, or it's excuses in philosophy including rational egoism, ethical egoism and psychological egoism are nothing more than rationalization of childish narcissism.

The true egoist has never developed beyond that early stage of life where the child, believing itself to be the true centre of the universe, is not capable of considering the needs of those around.
The only needs are those of the child or, in the case of the egoist, the stunted adult.

Egoism is not a viable alternative....it's a philosophical justification.

Egoism, or it's excuses in philosophy including rational egoism, ethical egoism and psychological egoism are nothing more than rationalization of childish narcissism.

The true egoist has never developed beyond that early stage of life where the child, believing itself to be the true centre of the universe, is not capable of considering the needs of those around.
The only needs are those of the child or, in the case of the egoist, the stunted adult.

Egoism is not a viable alternative....it's a philosophical justification.

I second that. I only couldn't express it that way.

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Egoism, or it's excuses in philosophy including rational egoism, ethical egoism and psychological egoism are nothing more than rationalization of childish narcissism.

The true egoist has never developed beyond that early stage of life where the child, believing itself to be the true centre of the universe, is not capable of considering the needs of those around.
The only needs are those of the child or, in the case of the egoist, the stunted adult.

Egoism is not a viable alternative....it's a philosophical justification.

Yay, you said all of this, so it must be true right? I mean, really, how could anyone possibly come to any other conclusion that the one stated here?

How about this: Union members have never developed beyond that early stage of life where the child, believing itself to be the true centre of the universe, is capable of realizing just how stupid and below average it is in relation to those around it. The only needs are those of the union, or, in the case of the union member, the mentally retarded adult.

Union membership is not a viable alternative....it's a declaration of utter incompetence.

I mean, obviously everyone in a union is too stupid to think for themselves and they are so incompetent in making decisions in their lives that they have to band together like rabid dogs otherwise they'll all starve to death.

I mean, that must be true too, right? I mean, I said it, therefore it must be true.

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Rush

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Remove the obvious...

I second that. I only couldn't express it that way.

Heh.

You can't make this stuff up, folks.

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Cordially,
Rush

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Remove the obvious...

Methinks the 'ego' has landed... ;)

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It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .

Methinks the 'ego' has landed... ;)

Lol..

Methinks that that our friend Rush has never been in a union

Methinks the 'ego' has landed... ;)

Lol..

Methinks that that our friend Rush has never been in a union

Apparently not. If he had, he would try to reason quite into the opposite direction, imho. ;)

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