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Message 667607 - Posted: 27 Oct 2007, 13:04:22 UTC
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"Oliver Curry, an evolutionary psychologist at the London School of Economics, thinks two subspecies will emerge: a tall, slim, intelligent privileged class, and a short, squat, ugly, dim-witted race of servants. Racial differences will be ironed out by interbreeding, producing a uniform race of coffee-colored people.

Spoiled by gadgets designed to meet their every need, they could come to resemble domesticated animals. The human race would peak in the year 3000, he said - before a decline due to dependence on technology.

The descendants of the genetic upper class would be tall, slim, healthy, attractive, intelligent, and creative and a far cry from the "underclass" humans who would have evolved into dim-witted, ugly, squat goblin-like creatures."

Make sure your kids finish HS and college otherwise your decedents will only grunt while making coffee and hauling out the trash!

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Message 667650 - Posted: 27 Oct 2007, 15:11:10 UTC - in response to Message 667607.
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... thinks two subspecies will emerge: ... ironed out by interbreeding, producing a uniform race of coffee-colored people. ...

That sounds like an old sci-fi idea I've read of before... And there is a bit of a contradiction in there in that interbreeding is supposed to even everything out and yet the same 'evening out' interbreeding is to form two different groups...

I would guess that Human vagaries, including breeding, will continue in much the same way as is now. The only exception is that I would expect globalisation to limit the extremes that can develop due to small groups being isolated.

I doubt we'll all just 'average out'. Genetics doesn't work that way, otherwise evolution couldn't operate!

(And to quote "100 000 years" suggests that the author isn't even dreamily vaguely sure to begin with!)

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Message 667928 - Posted: 28 Oct 2007, 2:15:56 UTC

So far as I can tell, the human race already consists of two subspecies. Homo Moronicus and Homo Smarticus.

Homo Moronicus does and believes everything they are told without thinking. Believes in the hereafter and votes for morons like Bush.

Homo Smarticus doesn’t do and believe everything they are told without seriously thinking things through for themselves. Believes in evolution and not some fairy tale nor do they vote for morons.

There seems to be an 80: 20 split in favor of Homo Moronicus from watching election results.

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Message 668283 - Posted: 28 Oct 2007, 18:16:05 UTC - in response to Message 667928.

So far as I can tell, the human race already consists of two subspecies. Homo Moronicus and Homo Smarticus.

Homo Moronicus does and believes everything they are told without thinking. Believes in the hereafter and votes for morons like Bush.

Homo Smarticus doesn’t do and believe everything they are told without seriously thinking things through for themselves. Believes in evolution and not some fairy tale nor do they vote for morons.

There seems to be an 80: 20 split in favor of Homo Moronicus from watching election results.

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I suspect you're being optimistic. (I wish I was kidding, but I'm not).

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Message 672017 - Posted: 4 Nov 2007, 17:02:24 UTC - in response to Message 667607.

"Oliver Curry, an evolutionary psychologist at the London School of Economics, thinks two subspecies will emerge: a tall, slim, intelligent privileged class, and a short, squat, ugly, dim-witted race of servants. Racial differences will be ironed out by interbreeding, producing a uniform race of coffee-colored people.


I see that as an economist, Curry believes our current system will carry on.
I'm kinda hoping the human race will develop beyond this insane chase for more money and, instead, seek a greater meaning from life.
Who cares what colour the human race evolves to. Having said this, given a choice, I think I'd go with blue.



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Message 672906 - Posted: 6 Nov 2007, 5:03:49 UTC
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There is also big ignorance on native tribal people who did not got practiced western civilization yet kept their natural realistic sense well or well kept into their natural instinctual life.

The last big tsunami in Pacific clearly showed two species of humans:

- first the majority who were city or village population plus foreign tourists become the main victims of tsunami;

- but very minor lost islander tribes certain unknown number of them recognized tsunami 5-15min prior and escaped to the higher ground and trees and unknown numbers of them saved themselves. (of course they are seemingly ugly looking plus seemingly uncivilized ;) but are far more naturally common sensed)

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Message 676071 - Posted: 11 Nov 2007, 18:20:44 UTC - in response to Message 667607.
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"Oliver Curry, an evolutionary psychologist at the London School of Economics, thinks two subspecies will emerge: a tall, slim, intelligent privileged class, and a short, squat, ugly, dim-witted race of servants. Racial differences will be ironed out by interbreeding, producing a uniform race of coffee-colored people.

Spoiled by gadgets designed to meet their every need, they could come to resemble domesticated animals. The human race would peak in the year 3000, he said - before a decline due to dependence on technology.

The descendants of the genetic upper class would be tall, slim, healthy, attractive, intelligent, and creative and a far cry from the "underclass" humans who would have evolved into dim-witted, ugly, squat goblin-like creatures."

Make sure your kids finish HS and college otherwise your decedents will only grunt while making coffee and hauling out the trash!


It sounds like the thinking of a crypto-eugenicist to me.

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Message 677080 - Posted: 13 Nov 2007, 7:01:06 UTC - in response to Message 667928.

Homo Moronicus does and believes everything they are told without thinking. Believes in the hereafter [snip!]

I believe in the hereafter... What's your point Mr Homo Smarticus? ;)
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Message 679284 - Posted: 17 Nov 2007, 6:42:34 UTC - in response to Message 667928.

So far as I can tell, the human race already consists of two subspecies. Homo Moronicus and Homo Smarticus.

Homo Moronicus does and believes everything they are told without thinking. Believes in the hereafter and votes for morons like Bush.

Homo Smarticus doesn’t do and believe everything they are told without seriously thinking things through for themselves. Believes in evolution and not some fairy tale nor do they vote for morons.

There seems to be an 80: 20 split in favor of Homo Moronicus from watching election results.

Franz


Excellent post Franz. I'd also suggest that you were overly optimistic with your split. Good to see the Moronicae havn't sucked all optimism from you.
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Message 679521 - Posted: 17 Nov 2007, 18:11:55 UTC

Oliver Curry, an evolutionary psychologist at the London School of Economics


don´t mesh up with biology!

we´re going to have/we have a two class system ... rich and clever , poor and "dumb".
The most of this distinction is done by the system itself.

BUT

"dump" people satisfy, among other things, sexual needs of the clever one´s ... so the whole mixture of genes will be everage (maybe).

sorry about my english, it is really bad but there a lot of more (and better) argumets against this theses


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Message 679600 - Posted: 17 Nov 2007, 20:18:11 UTC - in response to Message 679284.

Good to see the Moronicae havn't sucked all optimism from you.

Not our goal... ;)
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Message 697257 - Posted: 4 Jan 2008, 7:40:52 UTC

One recurring theme I find in discussions on humanity's descendants is people assuming the existence of "dumb" people. While I may not have the mental alacrity or knowledge of many people here, I have yet to meet anyone I'd define as "dumb" or "stupid". Now the two automatic assumptions are either I'm the dumbest person I know (which would skew my readings), which is rather unlikely, or that I haven't met enough people yet which is also highly unlikely.

I studied in India until about Grade 5, and there I was the highest performing student in my peer group for 3 years. Even when I came to this country, my test scores were generally very high (except in Algebra) compared to the rest of my class. This is offset by my inability to pass high school through the traditional route, even now I'm working through an adult education program to get my diploma. I am quite well read, however, and I pride myself on my facility with essay writing and such.

In regards to not meeting enough people, I have traveled rather extensively with my parents and alone. As I mentioned before, I studied in India for a while and traveled back to the states every 6 months or so alone for the summer and winter breaks. In my travels, I have met a wide variety of people (and children my age). Those who I had an opportunity to study always seemed to have a genuine and understandable motive for any actions they took that I disagreed with. While in high school (in the states) I generally tended to be an introverted observer, always fading into the background and watching social interaction without much interruption. Even with all that observation, specifically looking for repeated instances of stupidity, I found no pattern.

Now, while granted I'm only 18 and my experiences lead me to a conclusion in opposition to innumerable other people claiming the existence of an intellectually-inferior class, I still cannot help but feel the rumors of "dumb cattle" has been blown vastly out of proportion.

So my question is how can you claim stupid people exist? Just by the effects of actions taken by a large group of people? Can you conclusively say that people who take actions that you find silly didn't have any motivation that for them would have outweighed your concerns?

Anecdotes of patterns of stupidity would be welcome, perhaps my standards are too low.

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Message 697501 - Posted: 5 Jan 2008, 3:03:34 UTC - in response to Message 667607.

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"Oliver Curry, an evolutionary psychologist at the London School of Economics, thinks two subspecies will emerge: a tall, slim, intelligent privileged class, and a short, squat, ugly, dim-witted race of servants. Racial differences will be ironed out by interbreeding, producing a uniform race of coffee-colored people.

Spoiled by gadgets designed to meet their every need, they could come to resemble domesticated animals. The human race would peak in the year 3000, he said - before a decline due to dependence on technology.

The descendants of the genetic upper class would be tall, slim, healthy, attractive, intelligent, and creative and a far cry from the "underclass" humans who would have evolved into dim-witted, ugly, squat goblin-like creatures."

Make sure your kids finish HS and college otherwise your decedents will only grunt while making coffee and hauling out the trash!

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Message 702522 - Posted: 21 Jan 2008, 21:17:59 UTC - in response to Message 676071.

"Oliver Curry, an evolutionary psychologist at the London School of Economics, thinks two subspecies will emerge: a tall, slim, intelligent privileged class, and a short, squat, ugly, dim-witted race of servants. Racial differences will be ironed out by interbreeding, producing a uniform race of coffee-colored people.

Spoiled by gadgets designed to meet their every need, they could come to resemble domesticated animals. The human race would peak in the year 3000, he said - before a decline due to dependence on technology.

The descendants of the genetic upper class would be tall, slim, healthy, attractive, intelligent, and creative and a far cry from the "underclass" humans who would have evolved into dim-witted, ugly, squat goblin-like creatures."

Make sure your kids finish HS and college otherwise your decedents will only grunt while making coffee and hauling out the trash!


It sounds like the thinking of a crypto-eugenicist to me.



Eugenics is back in fashion?? Excellent news!!! Time to get my craniometry equipment out of the loft.

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Message 704820 - Posted: 27 Jan 2008, 13:59:43 UTC - in response to Message 702522.

[quote]"Oliver Curry, an evolutionary psychologist at the London School of Economics, thinks two subspecies will emerge: a tall, slim, intelligent privileged class, and a short, squat, ugly,
Spoiled by gadgets designed to meet their every need, they could come to resemble domesticated animals.
The descendants of the genetic upper class would be tall, slim, healthy, attractive, intelligent, and creative and a far cry from the "underclass" humans who would have evolved into dim-witted, ugly, squat goblin-like creatures."
It sounds like the thinking of a crypto-eugenicist to me.



Eugenics is back in fashion?? Excellent news!!! Time to get my craniometry equipment out of the loft.


yeh this is dumb, as the underclass will be doing all the work for the uperclass, driving them cooking for them, producing for them in the factorys, so they will need to be abnle to operate matinery, the uperclass would sit on their asses and eat and watch tv, play computer games, write poetry sing opera, paint,etc, well i know what one prob dosnt need legs and will be short and fat, the rich uperclass, 1000 yeras of siting on their fat ars will sure shrink their legs and enlarge their heads, as well as theier asses and stomuch, so what im sayin is the dumb asses will be tall and hansome and the uperclases inteligeant ones will be short fat and ugly, its obvious, evolution will see to it, like non flying birds when they dont need to fly non walking humans will lose their legs, they will of course be average 350 lbs in weight and need a tribe of normal dumb ass humans to wheel them about, shuvel food into them and bring them whatever else they need, but they will be in charge, but who would want to be like that, oh wait there are allready loads of ppl in the world like this,all we need to do is wait, its like a disease spreading round the world from west to east, thew first signs are obeasity, so we will have normal dimb ass religious humans and smart ugly fat selfish humans, it only needs time.

but then were do i fit in, i dont see me there, ah a third species, i supose i'll be alien, inteligent but hard working, smart, but cool, active yet informed, i cant wait, shame its gona take so long.

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Message 705037 - Posted: 27 Jan 2008, 23:56:43 UTC - in response to Message 704820.

.....yeh this is dumb, as the underclass will be doing all the work for the uperclass, driving them cooking for them, producing for them in the factorys, so they will need to be abnle to operate matinery, the uperclass would sit on their asses and eat and watch tv, play computer games, write poetry sing opera, paint,etc, well i know what one prob dosnt need legs and will be short and fat, the rich uperclass,.....


I think you just described Jabba the Hutt from Star Wars.

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Message 706606 - Posted: 1 Feb 2008, 6:46:18 UTC - in response to Message 667928.

So far as I can tell, the human race already consists of two subspecies. Homo Moronicus and Homo Smarticus.


I think I can agree with your point here.
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Message 737344 - Posted: 11 Apr 2008, 14:10:28 UTC

Hmm, Sounds a lot like H.G.Wells' TimeMachine SF-Novel where he simultaneously describes a Utopia as well as a Dystopia. Good libraries should still stock a copy or two of it.
Personally I am more and more convinced that a societal development as described in Walter Tevis's Mockingbird will eventually take place. Not wanting to seem overly cranky, but American society presently shows all the signs of it.

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Message 739741 - Posted: 16 Apr 2008, 8:30:39 UTC - in response to Message 737344.

American society presently shows all the signs of it.

I see it as Orwells 'party' and 'proles'... Of course, I would be Winston, the loner... ;)
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Message 739832 - Posted: 16 Apr 2008, 14:57:27 UTC
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"Oliver Curry, an evolutionary psychologist at the London School of Economics, thinks two subspecies will emerge: a tall, slim, intelligent privileged class, and a short, squat, ugly, dim-witted race of servants. Racial differences will be ironed out by interbreeding, producing a uniform race of coffee-colored people.

Spoiled by gadgets designed to meet their every need, they could come to resemble domesticated animals. The human race would peak in the year 3000, he said - before a decline due to dependence on technology.

The descendants of the genetic upper class would be tall, slim, healthy, attractive, intelligent, and creative and a far cry from the "underclass" humans who would have evolved into dim-witted, ugly, squat goblin-like creatures."

Make sure your kids finish HS and college otherwise your decedents will only grunt while making coffee and hauling out the trash!

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Just ignored this thread up until now, but allow me to state a GLARINGLY OBVIOUS FACT:

It seems practically inevitable that the near future course of human evolution will be guided by intelligently controlled genetic and biological manipulation.

Any educated guess that doesn't take into account genetic engineering or even cybernetics is nothing but worthless phooey.

Anyway, the proposed notion about the split in the human race is predicated on an extremely warped understanding of natural selection and sounds more like the kind of Social-Darwinist claims about humanity made a century ago than actual science.

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